Hill, St Helier? birth, marriage ~1840

[kathrynb]

In 1851 & 1861, my ancestors included Ernest and:
Mary Emma Hill, shown as born ~1843 in Jersey. 
I haven't been able to trace her after that -- the name Hill is in the common as dirt category, and identifying a marriage or death in the on-line databases is hopeless.

Given the parents' ages, their absence from the 1841 census and the date of Emma's birth (she is the eldest in the 1851 household in Linkinhorne), I would think they might have married on Jersey between about 1837 and 1842.

Emma would have been born between ~March 1842 and March 1843, to show as aged 8 in the 1852 census.

I know of no family connection with Jersey. The surname Monck is connected somehow, and there are a few Moncks in Jersey, but I see no connection with them.

So I'm looking for two things:

marriage of
Francis Hill,
Sarah Bond,
1837-1842, Jersey

birth/christening of
Mary Emma Hill
~Mar 1842 - ~Mar 1843, Jersey

Any assistance with finding records of those events will be most gratefully received!

[gp]

I would like to reccomend the following book

The Moncks and Charlville House

by Elisabeth Batt. ( formerly Monck)

isbn 0 905471 08 3

the Blackwater Press
Folens Publishers
Airton Road
Tallaght Co. Dublin.

it may be out of print

i hope this may be of use to you
regards Greg

[kathrynb]

Thanks!  I gather that the Moncks in question, of Charleville House, hail from County Wicklow, Ireland.

Thanks for the pointer!  And I'll just keep hoping that there is some record of Francis & Sarah Hill, and their daughter Emma, on Jersey somewhere that I find someday, and it tells me something ....

 

[Hill]

Kathryn

Your request caught my eye because my fathers name was Ernest Hill and I live in Jersey!!

I'm a little confused. I tried to look for both Mary Emma Hill and Mary Emma Monck in the 1851 and 1861 England census to see if there was any other information apart from Jersey (a parish would help), but can't find her. Am I looking in the wrong place?

I have looked in the 1841 census for a Francis  (and any combination of surname) and for Sarah Bond, with no luck.

Next time I'm in the Jersey Archive Centre, I will look at the marriage records. Unfortunately there is a book per parish (12 books), so it may take a while before I get back to you (a few days).

Stewart (Hill)

[kathrynb]

Goodness -- quelle coincidence! and what a generous offer.

Emma Hill appears in both the 1851 and 1861 censuses in England, as follows:

1851: in Linkinhorne, as Mary Emma Hill, age 8, with the place of birth transcribed (at Ancestry) as "Jersey, Cornwall, England".  On the original document, the "ditto" for Cornwall has clearly been scratched out. 

1861: in St Andrew, Devon, as Emma Hill, age 18, born in Jersey.


I've searched the jerseymaid site with the 1841 Channel Islands census on line, for Sarah Bond/Hill and Francis Hill, with no luck. 

[kathrynb]

... continued


So I tell my tale to anyone for whom there is the slightest possibility that it might set off a bell.  Your father isn't my gr-grandfather of course -- unless you're very very old!  Is your Hill family of long standing in Jersey?  There might yet be a connection, if so.

I am enormously grateful for your offer to look through records for me!  A bottle of fine Canadian wine would be coming your way, whether the search was successful or not -- evidence of absence would be better than the present absence of evidence!  Of course, I guess it would still be absence of evidence, I'd just know for sure that the evidence was absent.

I just hope I haven't bored you to sleep, at this point ...

I'd love to hear more about your own Hill-Jersey connection of course, too, to see whether there might be anything that looks like a possible piece of my puzzle.

I'll look forward to hearing what you might find, and again, huge thanks.

Kathryn

[Hill]

Kathryn

Sadly, I have no family connection with Jersey. I originate from South Wales and on my fathers side from Somerset.

I will print out your "report" and take it with me to the Archive. Unfortunately, they aren't open every day, and even when they are, only in working hours. They do have a late night on the last Thursday of the month, so please have patience. Jersey is 9 x 5 miles and currently has a population of 90,000 but has an excellent Archive with very friendly staff. I go down there quite regularly to look up information for people, so I'm known.

Stewart

see www.jerseyheritagetrust.org/sites/archive/archive.html

and www.jersey.com

[Hill]

Hi Kathryn
Well, I'm sorry to be the bringer of sad tidings, but I've been unable to find either the marriage of Francis and Sarah or the birth of Mary Emma. The indexes cover quite a few years either side of the ones you wanted, so I'm afraid its back to the drawing board.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you in Jersey.

Regards

Stewart

[kathrynb]

Ah well -- no news is still news!

I greatly appreciate your doing that for me, really enormously.  It's something that I now know that I couldn't have known otherwise -- that there's no evidence to be found of that birth and marriage in that place, even though they may still have happened there (and I'll likely never know that, unless I somehow find 'em somewhere else).

If I can ever do anything to return the favour, you know where to find me!

Kathryn