1891 census for Bayliss of Queenhill Worcs

[Linda-D]

Hi Tom,

Sorry you don't know any more about Rose but what you've said about the Bayliss family is very interesting.  Frank must have found it tough losing an arm so terribly but at least he found work afterwards. ...but what an awful way to die!  It must have been so distressing for his remaining family.  Do you mind if I add some of the information you've given me to my tree?  I might be able to find out more about Rose from her siblings and I  might come across them that way.  I don't know if she had a daughter Joan, I only know about the son because Hastings Page remarried in 1927 and he and his new wife Agnes went to America presumably to start a new life and they took the boy with them (when I first started this I thought the boy was their child!).  Agnes met someone else and left Hastings who returned to the UK with Roy/Richard in 1932.  He remarried again in 1941 but where the boy was by then I don't know.  It's a mystery I'm determined to solve.  It was a relation of Agnes's second husband that send me the bible - it turned up in her effects on her death.

If you can tell me about Frank's parents that might also help.  Sometimes going sideways and down you come across people/names/places that help add another piece to the puzzle.

[Tomwales]

Hello again Linda, just had a quick look on the free mormon site - family search and saw on the 1930 USA census Hastings F. Page aged 38, Agnes M. Page aged 27, Richard Page aged 3 and a Doris Hobson aged 27 all living in Brooklyn, New York, so he must have been known as Richard. There were lots of Richard Page's but no way of knowing if it is who you are looking for. Frank Powell's parents were Edward Powell born Longdon, Worcs. around 1817 son of Thomas and Ann, he married Clara Ghist (variations of Ghrist, Guist, Grist) born around 1829 West or East Cranmore (it varies) Somerset, daughter of John and Elizabeth Ghist. Edward and Clara married 8/5/1859 at Longdon Parish Church, Worcestershire. Edward died 28/11/1893 aged 76, and sadly Clara who I couldn't find for ages died 24/12/1905 aged 70 at Upton-on-Severn Workhouse, she was there for at least 4 years as I found her on the 1901 census. These were Rose's grandparents. When Frank died in 1908 his 2nd wife Ellen (Bayliss) was expecting a baby who was born 4 months later, so she had 5/6 children to bring up on her own the others would have left by then. The first child Frank and Ellen had after his 1st wife (Rose's mum) Winifred died, they named Winifred and I can remember her. I must admit my wife does most of the research including her own, and has gone back to my 8 x Gt. Grandparents marriage in 1603 at Longdon on the Powell side who at that time had the name of Windowes, marrying into the Powell family in 1782. Feel free to use anything applicable in your family tree. Got to keep plugging away!!   

[Linda-D]

Thanks for the new information - and hopefully something will lead me on to discover where Richard or his descendants are now.  You and your wife have certainly been busy tracing your family.  I've managed to go back to the 1600's on one line of mine but only because somebody following the same line had done much of the work and I'm collaborating with others on another line that we all have an interest in.  Amazing how much of a small world it can become doing this.

Hastings Fitzroy Page's family is also an interesting line in my tree and I have photos that show he was probably Anglo-Indian.  He had travelled to England from Bombay in 1920 and was an organist for some time with the BBC and also playing in theatres for the "silent movies" before he married Rose.  He continued this in the US whilst there as you will have seen from the census.  The reason I had called the child Roy/Richard is that Agnes took the child to Belfast early in 1932 (she met her next husband on the voyage) and on that manifest he was called Roy.  I do think though that as he was called Richard on the census and again when his Dad brought him back to England in October 1932 that Richard is what he probably called himself.  Frustratingly though, although I know he travelled on these two journeys from the US I have not found the journey from Belfast (or wherever in the UK) back to the US.  There is always more to find out.

Thanks again for your help.  Good luck with your research too.

[Tomwales]

Glad to be of a little help. My wife has been doing research for about 6 years and has a problem like yours especially with one member of her Mothers family, being Welsh you can imagine the surname problems, its like looking for a needle in a haystack!! but like you she doesn't give up.  Just had a quick look on the family search site and you probably already know this but thought I'd send it anyway just in case. Hastings Fitzroy Page was born 9/4/1892 Bombay. Christened 3/4/1893 Poona, Bombay. His father was Hastings Montague Page, mother May Mary.
Hastings Montague Page was born 1860 India son of John Page, and he married May Mary Miles born around 1863 India daughter of George Raslyn Miles, they married Poona Bombay 7/1/1891. May Mary died 9/6/1926 buried 10/6/1926 Sewri, Bomba, India. There is quite a bit more on this site of the India connection, but you would know more about who is who!! Good luck - this research never ends does it!! 

[Linda-D]

You were right.  I had already found this information - one branch of my maternal side worked for the HEIC and lived in India.  Hastings Montague Page was the son of John Page and Emily Kelly.  Emily was the sister of my gg-grandfather Hastings Montague Kelly.  Kelly as a surname isn't the easiest in the world either!

Thank

[Linda-D]

Sorry, bit of a blip on my laptop and the message got posted before I'd finished!!!

You were right.  I had already found this information - one branch of my maternal side worked for the HEIC and lived in India.  Hastings Montague Page was the son of John Page and Emily Kelly.  Emily was the sister of my gg-grandfather Hastings Montague Kelly.  Kelly as a surname isn't the easiest in the world either!

...and if I do ever find out anymore about Rose's son I'll let you know.  Presumably he'd be a step-cousin if there is such a thing?!

[Tomwales]

Thought you would already know what we posted last night, one last thing for now, we found the information we had been searching for for a long time on another free Commonwealth War Graves site last night, and thought it might be of interest to you, Rose's brother George's grave is at Poelcapelle British Cemetery in Belgium, and it showed the inscription as the son of Frank and Winifred Powell, and it looks as if he was married to a Annie Harper from Harlesden, London, which we hadn't realised. We had wondered why his residence was shown as Harlesden, Middlesex on the ancestry site we looked on in the library several years ago, and my maths was wrong about his age, he died in action aged 24 and he was in the 3rd battalion Coldstream Guards, it was quite emotional to see the inscription and pictures of the cemetery, but also nice to see he is commemorated. He is my step great uncle, and must be related to you as he is Rose's brother. Bye for now

[Linda-D]

Thought you might be interested to know that I found George's marriage on Ancestry.  Seems he married Emily Annie Harper, aged 24, spinster and domestic servant, at St Michael & All Saints, Willesden on 22 February 1913.  Pity they had such a short time together.  Emily went on to marry again on 18 Aug 1917 - husband was Frank Killer, Labourer, Corporal, 11th Middlesex Regiment, a bachelor aged 27.  Not found out any more about them yet but hope she went on to have a long and happy marriage.

Linda

[Tomwales]

Many thanks for the additional information. I had thought since my last message that they had made an error on the grave inscription putting husband of Annie Harper (formerly Powell), it should have read husband of Annie Powell (formerly Harper) but then I thought perhaps she had remarried a Harper before the memorial stone was put there as it would be some time after his death, so she would then be formerly Powell, but that is wrong as you have found out she married a Frank Killer. No they didnt have long together, thats the tragedy of war and we still have'nt learnt have we??