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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 22 January 06 12:30 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Tricia - got it all sorted out in my mind now!!
What records are likely to be available to me before the last date we have, and where do I go to find them??  Sorry - as  I said before - new to all this!! ;D
Kindest regards
Claire

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 22 January 06 13:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Claire,

You have already got back to 1841 with your Copperwaite's so you are doing very well.

Prior to that you may have to rely on parish records which means going to Clifton or putting out another plea on here.

A lot of early stuff can be found on the site of the Latter day Saints but it isn't always reliable. It may be worth having a play around on it:-

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

I have had a quick look on there but apart from the birth of Charles in 1840 I haven't found anything on the Copperwaite's any further back. You could always send for his birth cert (details further up this thread) and that would give you his mother's maiden name. Quite important as there were two Mary's around at the same time with similiar surnames.

You can order this online for £7 here

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/index.asp

Other people reading this thread may be able to advise you further (especially Bedfordshire Boy, I would have thought) :) even thought he lives in France

Good Luck, Tricia
Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 22 January 06 14:13 GMT (UK) »
On 1 July 1837 a civil registration system for births, marriages and deaths was introduced in England and Wales. I have looked through this for you from July 1837 to 1842 but can't find the registration of a marriage of George Copperwaite in Bedfordshire or anywhere else which is a pity because the certificate would have given you his father's name and his wife's father's name.

It may be worth posting a request for his marriage on the Bedfordshire Board saying that his first born was probably in 1840 and his wife's first name is Mary.

Tricia
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 22 January 06 16:47 GMT (UK) »
Sorry for the delay. Glorious day in France so was forced to leave the computer and go and look at the Mediterrannean!

You are lucky researching in Beds in that the IGI on the family search link that Tricia provided has virtually all of the Beds parish registers pre 1812 included on it, and many parishes go up to the 1870s. But be very careful to diffentiate between member submissions and extracted records, which you'll find in the Messages section on the IGI Individual Record page. Extracted records are reliable, member submissions are not!

To avoid the member submitted dross try going in via the individual parish link on
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle



There's a marriage in Clifton between George Copperwaite and Mary Simson on 28 Nov 1835 which may be them - it's the only marriage showing in Beds with these names. I don't like the gap between 1835 and Charles born 1839/40 though. Unfortunately pre 1837 marriage entries in parish registers did not usually include fathers' names. All you get are the names of the witnesses and the parish of residence if not "of this parish".

So given my slight doubt here I would definitely get Charles' birth cert to confirm whether or not his mother's maiden name was Simson.

There's a George Copperwait christened at Clifton on 13 July 1817 aged 4, which is consistent with his age in 1841 (where ages over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 below, so 25 covered an actual age range of 25-29) and with the 1851 where he was 37 born Clifton.

I couldn't see a Mary Simson or Simpson but there was a Stimson family in Clifton at the right time, but I still can't see a Mary.

Clifton parish records are available on microfilm from your nearest Family History Centre of the LDS

That's probably more than enough to digest in one message! But as Tricia says, play around with the IGI on the LDS site.

Regards

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell


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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #40 on: Monday 23 January 06 23:36 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much David & Tricia.  Is anyone able to tell me, is microfilm easy to use?  Also, do all Library's have a viewing facilty for it, as ours is rather small!
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Claire

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 24 January 06 06:03 GMT (UK) »
Yes, microfilms are easy to use! Even I, a mere male, can manage them.

But I've only ever used them in the LDS, not in public libraries, so can't comment on library facilities. In LDS Family History Centres there's always someone on hand to help if you get stuck.

Good luck

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #42 on: Friday 03 February 06 11:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire,
I can go back to1749 and maybe before with your copperwaites,
(and mine) Martha was my great grandmother,then its charles and jane,then George and mary,etc will give you more details when I have time.
Glen.

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 05 February 06 08:52 GMT (UK) »
Greeting from Australia.  I have been searching the Copperwaites and I can help you with your Query of Charles and Jane.  Father George mother Mary Stimpson/simpson.  12 children adopted one.     I can forward all the information I have.  Are you able to email me.  MODERATOR COMMENT:email address removed to avoid spam. Please use personal message system to share email addresses. Thank You  Can you tell me what line you are researching and connection.  Love to correspond with you to fill in some gaps.      Karen
Copperwaite Bed./Longmore Banff

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 05 February 06 09:00 GMT (UK) »
P.S  from Karen

Sorry Claire forgot to mention the next line after George  going back is Elizabeth  Manning and William Copperwaite.  All in Clifton.
As I said previous it would be great to correspond, as I do not have a great deal on Charles and  Jane family.

Karen
Copperwaite Bed./Longmore Banff