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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 21 January 06 10:46 GMT (UK) »
Gosh David - that sounds interesting!!  Would have to have a look at that - where did you find that reference?

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 21 January 06 11:15 GMT (UK) »
Just a brief summary for my own benefit!

Charles & Jane Copperwaite
Charles was born 1840 (or late 1839) in Clifton.
Birth registered in March qtr 1840
Parents: George and Mary Copperwaite
In 1841 he was with parents [edited after posting]
In 1851 he was with parents in Clifton.
He married Jane Wootton in Dec qtr 1860
Jane was born abt 1841 in Clifton.
In 1861, Charles and Jane were in Clifton with Jane's illegit daughter Mary, born 1859/60 in Clifton.
In 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901, Charles and Jane were in Clifton.

George & Mary Copperwaite
Parents of Charles
George was born about 1813 in Clifton.
He married Mary on an unknown date.
Mary was born abt 1811 in Clifton.
Her maiden name was probably Sturton - can be confirmed by Charles's birth cert.
(See 1851 Census for their son George, born about 1843.)
In 1841, George and Mary were in Clifton with son Charles [edited after posting]
In 1851, 1861 and 1871, George and Mary were in Clifton
Mary died before the 1881 Census.
In 1881 and 1891, George (widower) was living with son Charles and wife Jane.
Possible death reg: George Copperwaite, age 92 [sic], March qtr 1900 Biggleswade vol 3b page 275

John & Mary Sturton
Parents of George's wife, Mary (assumed)
John Sturton was born abt 1790
His wife Mary was born abt 1789
(ages from 1851 Census)
In 1851 they were in Clifton

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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 21 January 06 11:19 GMT (UK) »
1851 Census of Clifton
RG10/1551 F54 P29
4 Stafford Cottages
George Copperwait, head, mar, 57, agr labourer
Mary Copperwait, wife, mar, 59, straw plaiting
William Copperwait, grandson, 5, scholar
All born Clifton Beds

Have updated above summary

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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 21 January 06 11:29 GMT (UK) »
Ah, now we get the correct David ;)

Can you fit that William into the correct family in 1861 and have you seen the 1861 entry that is thrown up with a married Charles and George and a single William.

Claire - ignore this for the moment - it is confusing

There are also 2 deaths registered for a Mary Copperwaite - one in 1871 age 60 Biggleswade and another in 1877 age 60 Biggleswade ???

Claire - ignore this for the moment - it is confusing

Tricia
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi


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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 21 January 06 11:30 GMT (UK) »
Marriage per IGI
George Copperwaite & Mary Simson [sic]
28 Nov 1835 in Clifton

Children of George & Mary Copperwaite [IGI]:
Charles Copperwaite chr 4 Mar 1840 in Clifton
George Copperwait chr 28 Aug 1842 in Clifton - died in infancy?
George Copperwaite chr 22 Oct 1843 in Clifton
Mary Copperwaite chr 22 Oct 1843 in Clifton

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 21 January 06 11:42 GMT (UK) »

Hi Tricia - If you are referring to the family in Plumstead in 1861, I see what you mean.  I think the records we've got so far are the right ones - everthing hangs together nicely.  I wonder where William (c1845, Clifton) was in 1861?

There's a William Copperwait [trans. Coppenut] in Arlesey in 1861 and he's about the right age. (He's also a coprolite labourer!)

Dave
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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 21 January 06 11:46 GMT (UK) »
He is there but I think we may confuse Claire by going down this line if we are confident the correct family has been sorted.

Tricia
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 21 January 06 12:12 GMT (UK) »
Okay ...................... so where did we end up, and who with????  Sorry!


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Re: Clifton, Bedfordshire - Copperwaite's - HELP!!
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 21 January 06 12:17 GMT (UK) »
Oh Claire,

I am so sorry - it really doesn't help when 2 people start posting and repeating the same information.

I will pm you and try and sort it out.

It's quite simple really ::) ::) ::)

Tricia
Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi