PHILLIPS EARWICKER family Portsea, Yours? Some Research done

[Oran]

I am looking for a Robert Phillips born abt. 1819 to 1820 born Hants. England, Found with a Shepard family in 1851 Loch Arkaig, a visitor to a shepard family (Angus) aged 30 years a shoemaker, who eventually married in Fort William in 1856. His father was also a Robert Phillips listed on his sons marriage cert. as a ships carpenter, Mother, Elizabeth Negus.

When we found this Phillips family in the 1851 census, without a son Robert listed, I was not to worried, and thought we had the right family, as the son Robert was in Scotland 1851 as you know.

Then a colleague from here (Rootschat) very kindly looked up, and sent me a copy of the 1814-1841 Baptismal Index, which listed a Robert Phillips born 1819 to this family, which re-inforced my hunch that this was the right family! however, unfortunatley I seem to be wrong, this Robert I have highlighted below, seems to have stayed in Hampshire, after looking at later census records, and I am unable to slot my Robert into this family anywhere, unless somthing is starring me right in the face, and I am just not seeing it?

So here it is, a Phillips family in Portsea,
with a little research already done, for anyone that is looking for
Phillips in Portsea. Many thanks to people in the chatroom that have tried to help,
and my friend in Hants.


1813-1841 Baptismal Register Index, St Mary’s, Portsea:
       
Robert Phillips (sawyer)       married          Elizabeth Hiscock
Wiltshire                       St Marys, Portsea     Botley, Hants.
    1782                                   1815                      1790
                                                |
   _______________________________________________________
|                |            |         |           |           |            |            |
Elizabeth  Robert    Sarah      Mary    Isabella    John   Charlotte    George
                           Jane       Ann     Louise      James                  Geoff
2.Nov     11.Jul      31.Dec    7.Jul     26.Mar     22.Aug  7.Jun      13.Dec
1817       1819       1819      1822     1826       1830     1832        1835
                  |
1851 Census, All saints:  Robert Phillips aged 69 supertintendant sawyer born Witt, Wiltshire, with wife Elizabeth 61 born Botley, John son 20, Charlotte daur 18, George son 15, Elizabeth Earwicker daur 32, Harriet Earwicker Gdaur 6,  Mary Earwicker Gdaur 9, Martha Collins Nurse child  2 yrs.                         

                  |
1861 Census, St Pauls:  Robert Phillips Head of the family aged 45, wife Elizabeth aged 44. All issues born, Malta except Robert.
Robert son 20, Elizabeth daur 16, Geoff son 12, John son 9, Amelia daur 7, James Earwicker 75, Father of the wife above.       

                   |                    James Earwicker
                                  Father1786 Bowlint Castle, occ. Sawyer d. 1857 age 83 yrs.
                   |                                        |

Robert Phillips             married      Elizabeth Earwicker
11.7.1819                                            1817
LandPort                       |
Blacksmith
                                   |
   ______________________________________
|               |                  |             |               |
Robert     Elizabeth       Geoff          John        Amelia
1841          1845           1849         1852          1854
                                                    |
1891 Census, St Marys: John Phillips is head of the family, engine fitter  aged 36 with wife Mary.E. aged 35. Elizabeth daur 6, Albert son  2, Ethel daur 4wks, Robert Phillips father 74, retired blacksmith.
                                                    |
                          John Phillips      married    Mary
                          1852   Malta          |       1856 Middlesex
                                     ___________________________
                                  |                      |                     |
                             Elizabeth              Albert                 Ethel
                             1885                   1889                   1890


1901 Census:  Robert Phillips once again is listed as head head of the family, a retired blacksmith, living with his son John an engine fitter, partially disabled, and wife Mary who is an Millinances apprentice, and three children.

[Oran]

Incidentally, I have all the census listed above and an entry in the Old Parish Registry for Robert Phillips born Voller Street, Portsea. 1819 should anyone require them, and willing to send them on.

Note the dates in the Baptismal Index 1813 - 1841:
Robert       11th. July         1819?
Sarah Jane 31st. December 1819?  Is this possible I wonder.

[Little Nell]

Sarah Jane was baptised in 1820, rather than 1819.

There is another Robert Phillips baptised in the Portsmouth area who might fit the bill:

Robert Phillips baptised 16 Jul 1820 (born April 1816) in Alverstoke, son of Fysher & Elizabeth Phillips.  There was a brother Fysher baptised the same day.  Alverstoke is the other side of Portsmouth Harbour but many families moved between one parish and the other.

Nell

[Oran]

Hello Nell,

Thank-you for your reply, I looked through the 1841 census for Alverstoke, and could find no sign of Robert Phillips, son of Fysher & Elizabeth Phillips. I wonder if they moved, this family must be worth investigating.

I thought Robert Phillips abt. 1820 father listed as a Ships carpenter at his marriage entry in 1856, and a shipwright at his death entry in 1882, would be a big clue, but it doesnt appear to help at all.

I wonder how many towns in Hampshire could accommodate a ships carpenter or shipwright?

[Little Nell]

At that time. there were a number of parishes where you would find ship's carpenters/shipwrights:  Portsea, Alverstoke, Gosport, Portsmouth.  Portsea sub-divided into many parishes as the population grew.  Since one of the largest naval dockyards in the country was to be found in Portsea (and was the whole reason for its existence), it is more a question of how many shipwrights/ship's carpenters could these parishes hold.  The answer is hundreds!

Nell

[trish251]

Hi Oran

Are you positive that your man was born in Hants. I gather this information came from the 1851 Census in Scotland, but at this time he was living without his family - and I wondered if perhaps he was born elsewhere and they moved when he was a child - so he thought this was his birthplace. I think you have said his mother was Elizabeth Negus - have you found this marriage?

There are only 14 Robert Phillips born 1780-1790 on the 1851 (Then, of course Robert Snr  could have died by this date).

One is a private pensioner, widowed living in the Greenwich Hospital with 100s of others - was this the "Sailor's hospital" at Greenwich? He says he was born at Exeter in Devon.  A couple are bootmakers.

Apologies if you have already been down this path.

Trish

[Oran]

Hello Trish,

Thank-you for your reply, and I very much welcome your post, and am open to any suggestions that might lead to the family home of the Phillips.

we can only go by the information we have accumulated from various entries, which I have listed below. From the information we have, we can only assume that Robert Phillips junior b. abt. 1820 was born Hampshire, England. However, it could be possible he was mistaken, or that he was born in Hampshire, and the family moved to another town or parish, maybe the father, also Robert Phillips work took the family to another town, or even abroad?

we have not managed to find the marriage of the parents father Robert Phillips, mother Elizabeth Negus to date, the parents names, and occupation (Ships Carpenter) were obtained from Robert Phillips junior's marriage certificate in 1856 Fort William, Scotland. It might be worth mentioning that, his parents were not listed as deceased on Robert Juniors marriage cert. 1856.
There might only be an OPR entry for the marriage, and possibly no marraige certificate available due to the time period, and a OPR entry very difficult to find, without locating a town for the family.

1851 Census entry find, staying with a Shepard Family in remote area of Loch Arkaig, listed as shoemaker, born Hants, England. I am intrigued why Robert Phillips is found here, and find myself asking lots of questions. I wonder why he is found here, how he got here, how did he know this family, is the wife a relative, are the Phillips listed Hampshire originally from Scotland or Wales, hopefully time will tell?

1851 Census Loch Arkaig/Kilmalie

John Angus head 24 Sheppard Roxborough
Christine wife 28
John Angus son 3
James Angus son 17 months
Jane Cameron hse servant 20
Alain Scott sheepsherd 23
Robert Phillips shoemaker 30 Hants, England.

1861 Census Fort William Area - Inverness-shire Scotland Page 5 - MALL

MALL STRONE 2 ROBERT PHILIP M HEAD M 41 AG.LAB. ENGLAND
MALL STRONE 2 ELIZABETH PHILIP F WIFE M 45 KILMUIR
MALL STRONE 2 ALEXANDER PHILIP M SON U 12 SCHOLAR KILMUIR
MALL STRONE 2 ELIZABETH PHILIP F DAUR U 6 SCHOLAR KILMALIE
MALL STRONE 2 JOHN PHILIP M SON U SCHOLAR 4 KILMALIE

Source of information: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ked1/ftwillcen.html

1871 census Kilmallie, Argyll/Inverness.

ROBERT PHILLIPS 51 LABOURER ENGLAND
ELIZABETH PHILLIPS 51
ROBERT PHILLIPS 22 CARTER KILAMLLIE
JOHN PHILLIPS 14 SCHOLAR KILAMLLIE
MARY ANN PHILLIPS 11 SCHOLAR KILAMLLIE

1881 Census Greenock, Scotland.

Dwelling: 35 Nicolson St
Census Place: West Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203574 GRO Ref Volume 564-3 EnumDist 17 Page 12
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Robert PHILLIPS M 61 M England
Rel: Head
Occ: General Labourer
John PHILLIPS U 24 M Fort William, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Plumber

In 1882 Robert Phillips died, and his occupation is listed as, night watchman of a shipyard, and his father also Robert, by now deceased, is now listed as a shipwright.

This is all the information I have for Robert Phillips the son to date, and the headway is slow. I did read on a pirates website, that some Ships carpenters were resident onboard wooden hulled ships to maintain and repair any leaks, not that I am indicating Robert Phillips senior was a pirate, but maybe a mariner?

I was really hoping to simply find an entry for the parents, Robert Phillips and Elizabeth Negus, but it's proving far more difficult, so any suggestions welcome.

[gfinlay]

Oran:

My wife is descended from Amelia Phillips b. Abt 1854 in Malta and daughter of Robert Phillips b. 1819 and Elizabeth Earwicker.

I have a genealogy report of descendants as follows:

Descendants of Robert Phillips
Generation No. 1
1.  ROBERT PHILLIPS was born 11 Jul 1819 in Portsea, Hampshire, England.  He married ELIZABETH EARWICKER, daughter of JAMES EARWICKER.  She was born Abt. 1817 in Landport, Hampshire, England.
More About ROBERT PHILLIPS:
Occupation: Abt. 1841, Blacksmith
   
Children of ROBERT PHILLIPS and ELIZABETH EARWICKER are:
   i.   ROBERT PHILLIPS, b. Abt. 1841, Landport, Hampshire, England.
More About ROBERT PHILLIPS:
Occupation: Abt. 1881, Engineer, Royal Navy
   ii.   ELIZABETH PHILLIPS, b. 12 Jan 1845, Malta.
   iii.   GEORGE PHILLIPS, b. Abt. 1849, Malta.
   iv.   JOHN PHILLIPS, b. Abt. 1852, Malta.
   v.   AMELIA PHILLIPS, b. Abt. 1854, Malta.
Generation No. 2
2.  ELIZABETH PHILLIPS was born 12 Jan 1845 in Malta.  She married THOMAS J. SUTER Abt. 1866 in Portsea, Hampshire, England, son of PETER SUTER and ANNE ?.  He was born Abt. 1839 in Portsea, Hampshire, England.
Notes for THOMAS J. SUTER:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 Record
about Thomas J Suter
Name: Thomas J Suter
Year of Registration: 1866 
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 
District: Portsea Island (1837-1900) 
County: Hampshire 
Volume: 2b 
Page: 793 .
 
   
Children of ELIZABETH PHILLIPS and THOMAS SUTER are:
   i.   ROBERT J. SUTER, b. Abt. 1869, Portsea, Hampshire, England.
   ii.   FREDERICK G. SUTER, b. Abt. 1871, Portsea, Hampshire, England.
   iii.   CHARLES W. SUTER, b. Abt. 1872, Portsea, Hampshire, England.
   iv.   JESSIE SUTER, b. Abt. 1875, Portsea, Hampshire, England.
   v.   CLARA SUTER, b. Abt. 1877, Portsea, Hampshire, England.
   vi.   LAURA SUTER, b. Abt. 1881, Portsea, Hampshire, England.
3.  JOHN PHILLIPS was born Abt. 1852 in Malta.  He married MARY E. ?.  She was born Abt. 1855 in London, England.
More About JOHN PHILLIPS:
Occupation: Engine Fitter
   
Children of JOHN PHILLIPS and MARY ? are:
   i.   ELIZABETH M. PHILLIPS, b. Abt. 1885, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England.
   ii.   ALBERT JOHN PHILLIPS, b. Abt. 1889, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England.
   iii.   ETHEL E. PHILLIPS, b. Abt. 1890, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England.
4.  AMELIA PHILLIPS was born Abt. 1854 in Malta.  She married HENRY MULLINS 09 Jun 1875 in All Saints, Portsmouth, son of HENRY MULLENS and SARAH BARNETT.  He was born Abt. 1848 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
Notes for HENRY MULLINS:
Mayor of Salisbury at one time
More About HENRY MULLINS:
Residence: The Firs, Milford Hill, Salisbury
   
Children of AMELIA PHILLIPS and HENRY MULLINS are:
   i.   MARY MULLINS, b. Abt. 1876, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
   ii.   HENRY MULLINS, b. Abt. 1877, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
Notes for HENRY MULLINS:
Sent to take over a habadashery near Oxford. Died in a fall into Iffley lock - a weir near Oxford
   iii.   ETHEL MAY MULLINS, b. Abt. 1878, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
   iv.   PERCIVAL MULLINS, b. Jun 1879, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
   v.   BARNETT MULLINS, b. Abt. 1881, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
   vi.   GERTRUDE MULLINS, b. Abt. 1885, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
   vii.   FREDERICK MULLINS, b. Abt. 1887, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
   viii.   BEATRICE LOUISE MULLINS, b. Sep 1887, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
   ix.   ELSIA MULLINS, b. 1892, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England; m. ROBERT WOOTON.
Notes for ROBERT WOOTON:
Associated with Potter & Moore firm.
   x.   EDWARD PHILLIPS MULLINS, b. 23 Sep 1897, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
Generation No. 3
5.  PERCIVAL MULLINS was born Jun 1879 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.  He married LOUISE COVER. 
Notes for PERCIVAL MULLINS:
Well-known architect/engineer who did cathdral restoration i.e. Salisbury Cathedral.
   
Child of PERCIVAL MULLINS and LOUISE COVER is:
   i.   RONALD5 MULLINS.
6.  BARNETT MULLINS was born Abt. 1881 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.  He married ROSA ?.  She died in Vernon, BC, Canada.
   
Child of BARNETT MULLINS and ROSA ? is:
   i.   ALICE5 MULLINS, m. CARL BRIESE.
7.  FREDERICK MULLINS was born Abt. 1887 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.  He married GLADYS I. DERMAN Abt. 1912 in Headington, Buckinghamshire, England. 
   
Children of FREDERICK MULLINS and GLADYS DERMAN are:
   i.   RICHARD5 MULLINS.
   ii.   JOHN MULLINS.
   iii.   BARNETT MULLINS.
   iv.   MARY MULLINS.
8.  EDWARD PHILLIPS MULLINS was born 23 Sep 1897 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.  He married WINNIFRED ELLEN ALBERY, daughter of ? ALBERY and MARY ?.  She was born Abt. 1898 in Bedford, Bedfordshire, England.
Notes for EDWARD PHILLIPS MULLINS:
Jokingly, seen inebriated with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth while riding a bicycle.
Proprietor of Wadhams Garage in Chichester. Was a 'tool and die' man for Freddy Morris (aka Lord Nuffield) of Morris Cars fame.
   
Children of EDWARD MULLINS and WINNIFRED ALBERY are:
   i.   MOLLIE EVELYN MULLINS, b. 13 Oct 1925, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
   ii.   JOAN WINNIFRED MULLINS, b. 02 Oct 1920, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England; d. 21 Jan 1993, North Vancouver, BC, Canada.

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I have pictures of Amelia (nee Phillips) Mullins and her sister Elizabeth (nee Phillips) Suter.

Cheers,
Gordon Finlay
North Vancouver, BC, Canada

[PRB]

I Picked up on your chat about a year ago and put it aside as I found it confusing, However I have looked and my tree again and still confused.

I am approaching it from a different angle - My 3rd Great Grandfather was Fysher Phillips Negus born 25 May 1820 in Alverstoke Hampshire - I haven't been able to trace birth certificate or baptismal records for him but this date has been verified. He went on to become an eminent Naval Surgeon and ended up as  the Deputy Inspector General of Hospitals and Fleets and died in 1879 in Southsea.

His parents were Fysher Colman Negus [ A "Gentleman"1785 - 1835[ died Gosport Hants] and Elizabeth Phillips

The will of Fysher Colman Negus describes Fysher Phillips Negus as my natural child by the said Elizabeth Phillips. I am not aware of any other children by this couple or on their own.  At the time of writing his will also mentions a Mrs Amelia Phillips who was living with him at the time.

Has any of your subsequent research thrown any more light on the matter. The baptismal dates mentioned by "Little Nell" of 16 July 1820 would seem feasible for my Fysher.

Can anyone throw any more light on this

Many Thanks

Paul R Button

PS by Coincidence Fysher Phillips Negus was stationed in Malta from 1866 to 1870 with his family and had a daughter born out there and also unfortunately one of his sons died there