Emigrants to Canada. John HUME LIGHTFOOT and wife Ann

[J.J.]

The time in Canada must be betw. 1856 (dorothy Eng.) and 1862 (Eliz. N.S.) 
then left again between then and 1870...(if he was back for the '71)

Modified as information is gathered throughout the thread.....

Let's see if I have this right...from the IGI
John Hume: 1820?


William Lightfoot     abt1805 -1852
& Mary ann ( Neild)  Lightfoot  abt 1807-1847 
 parents of: 
Dorothy 1839  born & christened Bowdon, cheshire
James  1841
Mary Ann 1844  born & christened Bowdon, cheshire d.1845
Thomas 1846  born & christened Bowdon, cheshire d.1846

Then John Hume Lightfoot  and Ann ( Shore) Lightfoot parents of:
 
1845 John Lloyd ( maybe )christened  Hargrave, , Cheshire
1851 Samuel- born  Altrincham - christened Bowdon, cheshire
1852 mary Esther - born Hale, Cheshire -christened Bowdon, cheshire
1856 Dorothy- christened Bowdon, cheshire 

Then in Canada Elizabeth Ann 1862 


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from 1841 / other sources /these are perhaps William's parents

James Lightfoot 77        abt 1764  d. 1847
(Dorothy already gone ) abt 1761 d.1838                                     
John                   31        abt 1810
Hulme                 21       abt 1820
Betty                   29       born 1811  d. 1882
Mary Gresty           7       about 1833/34   



in the '51 William lightfoot is a widower age 46 ag/lab. Bowden
son James is down as born Bowden 1842
Robert Nield (brother to deceased wife Mary Ann)
 - is a single agricultural labourer born 1810 in Bowden
 
on next page
John Lightfoot who is down as born 1810 Bowden is an agricultural labourer...
His sister Betty, down as born 1800 in Bowden
John's neice, Mary Gresty is down as born 1834 Dunham Massey
 

[Shirley-Marie]

Hello J.J.,
Well you got almost right.
William and Mary ann children are
Dorothy  1839
James     1841
Mary Ann 1844
Thomas   1846

now John Humes Lightfoot is an uncle to Dorothy, James, Mary Ann and Thomas.

I have no proof  that John Hume is William brother, but f it looks that way, that is why I am trying to find out who James Lightfoot,dob: 1805,  John Lightfoot dob 1810, John Hume Lightfoot 1821, and Betty born 1811 parents are.

But I thank you for the info on John.

Also I have check on LDS and it says nothing for James and I think that was just a mis understood . and as for the rest I will tell you what I found .

John Lloyd Lightfoot, christening 09 mar. 1845 Hargrave, Cheshire , England
Mary Esther Lightfoot  christening 20 jun 1852, Bowden, Cheshire, England.
Samuel Lightfoot  christening 27 Apr 1851 Bowden 
Dorothy  christenig 16 Nov. 1856. Bowden,
Elizabeth Ann  Lightfoot dob 02-jul 1862 born Nova Scotia.

the space don't bought me as some people leave a space between having children. The only think is is John must have been born before they got married. 
However on all the papers says that the children all belong to John and Ann.

I hope these correction, make it better for you to understand. I can see how someone could misundersstand it.

Thanks
Shirley 

[J.J.]

Gotcha...almost....because the IGI says that the SECOND Dorothy belongs to John and Anne (so sister to james )
 and that the first Dorothy belongs to Willian and Mary Ann, just as I have them...


Will change to brother...above...

[Shirley-Marie]

HELLO J.J.

Dorothy  baptised 05 may 1839 is Willliam  and Ann child , James ' sister.
John and Ann's child is Dorothy  christening 16 Nov. 1856.  I got this info from LDS and also from st. Mary's church in Bowden Cheshire, England.

 take care

Shirley

[J.J.]

O.K.  I see  the change...so James is a nephew, not a son...
Now have I got it right?  Changed above....

There is a John LIGHTFOOT 1881 British Census born...
1821 Bowdon, Cheshire, England who is married,
so he could have remarried , something to keep in mind...
and it surely goes with the rest of the time period, etc.
(& he is a brickmaker, like your James....what was John
doing on the census in Canada?)!)


Here is an interesting entry for you to look at...am wondering if this
is where the Hulme may have originated, as sometimes the wife's maiden surname is passed on through generations as a middle name, often for
the sons for some reason...( I have seen it several times in my British ancestors....Just a thought...) Come to think of it some daughters
in one family also had a Grandparents surname for a middle name...
Something to keep in your maybe files, anyway, one never knows!
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/LANCSGEN/2000-09/0969110775

Hmmm...come to think of it...that wouldn't be old enough to be an ancestor, here, would it?

[J.J.]

There's a James Lightfoot born 1765 Dunham, , Cheshire, England
on the IGI...Perhaps if you found the person who made this submission,
it could answer some questions about the 77yr. old in 1841.

Have you tried the rootschat Cheshire board in England? I bet that they
can find something on the previous generation before you know it...if you
ask the right questions and have what you know in order  (keep it simple
for the first entry...
( What sounds perfectly fine to us, isn't always easy to decipher for others...)
Sometimes I read through entries but it doesn't always stick.. as you have
noticed...Thinking James was a son all along made the whole thing very
confusing for me...but I think I've got it right now...

( my first question to rootschat was put into the wrong district!
  Haha...boy was my face red)  Try Cheshire ....and if that doesn't work...
use the "general" board for England, as you never know who will have the information you need...but you will be amazed at the help you will receive!

Lots of Luck all around!  J.J

[Shirley-Marie]

HELLOJ.J.

I have check with LDS, but their is no name for the submitter. 

I thank you for your advise,  As I will try and be more careful in the future.
Now can you tell me what the IGI is and where would I find it.

Also in the 1851 Census reading  as:

1851 HO107-2162-F536 Altringham
Hulme Lightfoot head 30 brickmaker Bowden
Ann                    wife 34                    Salford
Samuel H           son 11 mths             Altringham
Dorothy Lightfoot visitor 12 scholar   Bowden
William Shore Visitor 23 print block manuf. Manchester.

Hulme Lightfoot married Ann Shore in Manchester 1848

Now my question is. where do I find her location  of marriage.
I have looked in BMD and I was unable to find it, i also sent to Manchester Cathedral , in Manchester, and they told me I would have to know the parish.
Is there any place else I could looked to find out where.

Thanking you again for your help and kind advise.
Thanks
Shirley

[J.J.]

Did you know that some sites call Bowden the Parish for Altringham?
 Not sure how those county/parish units work myself half the time when I search ancestors....

Just checked the new ancestry bmd and althought the later ones have more info on...all these have is the same info you already have...

So you need to go to the general England board as I see that Manchester isn't
on the child board list... Go back to top of page for the general link , scroll down
to the England - General  (English family history not specific to a county.)
and start a new topic, giving the full names, dates of birth, & that you are looking for a marriage 1848 ....
(There were 2 Anne shore married in that same period in Manchester)

The subject line should read somethig along these lines, so that someone with
that information knows when and where you are looking...
Manchester / Marriage 1848

If not, you can always send to the GRO for the actual document,  as you have the information...and more information of other ancestors may be on the document...
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Good luck!  ...   J.J.

[Shirley-Marie]

Hello J.J.

Thank you very much for your help.

Shirley