Emigrants to Canada. John HUME LIGHTFOOT and wife Ann

[Shirley-Marie]

Searching for ships name that the above left England to go to Canada, Most likely New Brunswick, or Nova Scotia.  As they were here in 1861 Census in Canning , Kings Co. Nova Scotia.
Ann had a child while here in Canada who would have gone back with them.  Daughter was Elizabeth Ann Lightfoot dob 02-Jul 1862.

They would have came to  Canada between 1852 and 1870 and may have had a young boy with them name James Lightfoot.,  dob 10 May 1841, the son of William and Mary Ann Lightfoot.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Shirley

[J.J.]

If you go back up to the top of this topic...there are ships lists under resources
Canada but not a lot for that time period.

To look for your relatives who may have stayed behind, ( sounds as though
they returned to Eng.) do you know at what point this happened...be less
vague? 1901 & partial 1911   http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/index.html
but the only James I found as older and in N.S, came here in 1870...
But is in Kings so is in right area!
Your time frame seems a little off in your request...so if you want more than
just ships lists some birth dates and locations, etc. would be appreciated.
Hard to gauge from info provided.  J.J.

[Shirley-Marie]

Hello J. J

Thanks for replying ,  now I will try and make it clearer for you. I believe that John Hume Lightfoot and his wife came to Canada and they also brought William  & Mary Ann's son James with them, Baptised  10 May1841.  I also believed that it was sometime between 1852 and 1862.   Now I believe that John and his wife returned to England with a daughter that was born here in Nova Scotia in 1862. I also believe that James's  William's  son stayed behind.    As John and his wife and child show up in the English census 1871.  However I know James must have stay behind as he got married here in  Nova Scotia in 1870 to a Canadian girl here. and came up in census in 1881 .
I am not  positive,  that John Hume Lightfoot and wife brought James to Canada. but it appears likely.


Now John was in found in the Canadian LDS in pedigree.  He may also have drop the John when he came  back to England or spelled Hume ( hulme).

I Know James stay here as well as he is my gr grandfather  and I have the rest of his family History here.

I hope this helps. 
Thanks
Shirley

[J.J.]

Thanks, shirley, now we can see that this is not a large time frame...so
pretty tough to do...but now it is a lot clearer what and who you want  to
research, although you still have no dates of birth?...If someone can look
for you, they will need this information.
If someone is researching from the remaining family in England
they will find this thread. In the meantime...ships lists are tough...
 
Add all the info you can for when others search, as the search engines
pick up this site really quickly!    J.J.

[Shirley-Marie]

Hello J.J.

I really appreciate the help that you are giving me. 

 I will try and make it clearer for you. I believe that,

John Hume Lightfoot dob: 1821 ??
Wife  Ann  came to Canada and I believe  they also brought , william and Mary Ann Lightfoots' son
James  Lightfoot dob: 10 May 1841 with them.  I also believed that it was sometime between 1852 and 1862.   Now I believe that John and his wife returned to England with a daughter Elizabeth Ann Lightfoot that was born here in Nova Scotia in 02 Jul 1862.

I believe that  John and his wife Ann and Elizabeth show up in the English census 1871.,  however ,I know William  and Mary Ann Lightfoot's son James   was here in  here in Nova Scotia in 1870 .  He got  married here in  Nova Scotia in 1870 to a Canadian girl here.

 He also had children here and died here as one of his children is my grandfather. and I have the rest of the family history to now.

Now John  Hulme Lightfoot  & wife Ann  I  found in the Canadian LDS in pedigree.  He may also have drop the John when he came or spelled Hume ( hulme). I believe he is a Uncle to James  Lightfoot, dob: 10 May 1841.

Now I know that James has one sister that I have lost tract of . She was in Manchester in 1861 .  Her name was Dorothy Lightfoot was baptized 05 May 1839. in Bowden Cheshire, England.  She also had one child name Mary Ann Lightfoot who was born in 08 jan 1873.  Dorothy was not married at that time.

They were all from Bowden Cheshire, England to the best of my knowledge.
I hope this give you everything anyone would need.
Thanks again.
Shirley

[J.J.]

well, I may have found your Dorothy?

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
Bowdon, Cheshire, England - 1881

 Peter SHAW      65 Labourer      
 Dorothy SHAW   34            Laundress      
 Annie LIGHTFOOT  14      
 James LIGHTFOOT    7   
 Peter SHAW   4   




and if this is correct then:
Marriage 1876
Lightfoot  Dorothy   
Altrincham

    http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
        

[J.J.]

HMMMMMMMMMM...May have jumped the gun, I see, as the names and dates
of the children don't match...Sorry...It looked good in theory!  J.J.

[J.J.]

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
in the 1881 Betty LIGHTFOOT  70 and neices, all 4 unmarried:
Mary GRESTY 47  Dorothy LIGHTFOOT   24
These are 3 all down as Bowdon except Elizabeth LIGHTFOOT  18 
whose entry says "America" and naturally Canada is in North America...
 I also realize this isn't your Dorothy, but thought it might find you some
new ancestors if correct.

[Shirley-Marie]

Hello J.J.,

Yes those names are in the 1881 Census Park Lane
Bowden.  Elizabeth dob  02 Jul 1862 born in Nova Scotia, Canada and Dorothy  dob  16 Nov 1856 ,Bowden, Cheshire, England  taken from LDS.
These girls are  Sister there parents are John Hume Lightfoot.  who was Married to Ann , I believe was in  Manchester.  John and Ann had to come to Nova Scotia. Sometime between  1852 and 1862 as Elizabeth Ann Lightfoot was born here in 1862.  Kings Co. Nova Scotia.  But have been unable to find them  in more than  one census, 1861.

Therefore it appears that they went back to England sometime between 1862 and 1871 as  John appears back in 1871 as a Widow in Church Brow Bowden Census.

But I am still not sure the  Peter Shaw and Dorothy
Lightfoot is James ' sister as his Sister was born in 5 May 1839.  and in the census it has 1881  Dorothy 34 which would make her 47. Although census sometimes makes mistakes.

These are puzzle I have is that in census 1841 H)107-91-17 P8 Bowden,  there are the following.

James Lightfoot 77
John                   31   
Hulme                 21
Betty                   29
Mary Gresty           7
 
My question is,  is the Hulme Lightfoot  one and the same that is mr John Lightfoot in the 1871 Census    at chruch Brow Bowden.  or are they two seperate  people. 

Where has John from the 1841 census disappered to.   He would have been born in 1810 according  to that or there abouts.  Where as (John) Hulme woud correspond with the Hulme guy.  dob 1821 there abouts.  also who is the parent of  these is  it that James at 77 in the 1841  Bowden,  or who.  To me it is unlikely that James 77 would be their parents.  I have not been able to find. anything.  Also Betty appears to be John and John Hulme of same census to be brother and sister or at least relatives..



Thanks for your help .
Shirley