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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 05 October 08 22:34 BST (UK) »
Dear Margaret,

I'd love to see that!  That would be Isabelle as George changed his name from Oppenheim to Osborne shortly before WWI and not long after they were married.  His brother likewise did the same becoming Frederick Bury Osborne (the Bury being his wife's maiden name).  Both brothers married the daughters of doctors, Frederick's wife being the daughter of Judson Bury and william Japp Sinclair being as follows:

Biographical History
Sir William Japp Sinclair was a pioneer of modern gynaecological surgery. He was born in Kincardineshire on 6 March 1846 and studied medicine at Aberdeen. Sinclair was resident medical officer at St Mary's Hospital, Manchester and house surgeon to the Clinical Hospital for Women and Children. In 1875 he was elected honorary physician to the Manchester Southern Hospital, for many years he was the only consultant, and he retained his post when the hospital amalgamated with St Mary's in 1905. In 1888, Sinclair became professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at the University of Manchester. He wrote important works on gonorrhea and was a pioneer in vaginal hysterectomy. He was an important player in the controversy over the Midwives Bill, arguing for state registered training, and was an original member of the Central Midwives Board. Sinclair was the first general secretary of the North of England Obstetrical and Gynaecological Society, and was president in 1893 and 1904. He played a major role in the beginning of the Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology of the British Empire , in the early 1900s. He was also one of the founders of the Medical Chronicle in 1884, and was an editor for the journal for many years. Sinclair was president of MMS in 1899 and was knighted in 1904. Sinclair died on 21 August 1912.


He was also pretty much the only advocate for the work of Semmelweiss and was knighted on December 19 1904 when he was Professor of Obstetrics and Gyneacology at Victoria University Manchester.  I do not have the Times digital archive transcription of this as my subscription has expired - sorry.  Likewise, I would also love to see the death notice for him in The Times August 23, 1912.

1901
William J Sinclair head 55 physician surgeon Scotland
Margaret ditto    wife 46                                        ditto
Margaret ditto daur s  16 student Manchester Lanc
Mabel  H.    ditto  s  14                 ditto        ditto
*Agnes G. Haddon sis in law s 52    Scotland*

Here are the births of the daughters:
Births Sep 1886
Sinclair  Isabella Haddon     Chorlton  8c 792  
Births Dec 1884
Sinclair  Margaret     Chorlton  8c 837

Here is the marriage of George and Isabelle:
Marriages Jun 1911
Oppenheim  George E     Chorlton  8c 1599    
Sinclair  Isabel H     Chorlton  8c 1599

I have not been able to establish definitively who Agnes Haddon's parents are but I think here she is in 1881 (with her brother the doctor! and William's wife Margaret):

John HADDON   Head   U   Male   36   Scotland   Gen Practitioner    
Agnes HADDON   Sister   U   Female   32   Scotland        
Margaret HADDON   Sister   U   Female   26   Scotland        
Andrew HADDON   Brother   U   Male   17   Scotland   Scholar    
Dwelling   42 Wellington Rd Barton Upon Irwell, Lancashire, England
RG11/Folio   3881 / 53/ Page 45

It is possible that this is Agnes:

AGNES GOODFELLOW HADDON
Birth:  18 MAR 1849   Cavers, Roxburgh, Scotland
Father:  ANDREW HADDON  
Mother:  ANN WHITE

This could be her brother John:

Dr John Haddon MA, Md (1845 - 1924)
 
Dr John Haddon was educated at the University of Edinburgh, and graduated in arts as well as medicine. The doctor was awarded the Thesis Gold Medal in 1869. As a young man he set up in practise in a residential suburb of Manchester, where his business prospered. During this time (around 1880) he published a paper on Public Health for the Manchester and Salford Sanitary Association. The paper intended to educate the masses with regard to sanitary laws and the avoidance of diseases. At the age of 37 after a bout of illness John embarked on a round the world trip that would see him travel across the Atlantic through America and Canada and across the Pacific.
 
This is all I have been able to discover at this stage but leads in various directions for lookups on census returns - none unfortunately I am able to do from this location at the moment but would love any help with.

William's family could be as follows:

Father:
Alexander Sinclair    b abt 1819    Aberdeen, Scotland
Mother:
Margaret McLae    b abt 1819    Lanark, Scotland.
Children:
Donald Sinclair    b Novem 5, 1843    Laurencekirk, Kincardine, Scotland
William Japp Sinclair b March 26, 1846    Laurencekirk, Kincardine
Anne Sinclair    b October 7, 1849    Laurencekirk, Kincardine

Let me know what your thoughts are here. I will keep trying to track down Margaret the sister of Isabella.

warm regards,

Kirsten
Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #19 on: Monday 06 October 08 02:51 BST (UK) »
Hello again, Kirsten. I have just typed a long reply only to find it's disappeared so here I go again, hopefully with better luck. This is Isabelle's  death notice:

Osborne - on June 8th at Honeyburn, Spath Road, Didsbury, Bell Sinclair, widow of George E. Osborne and daughter of late Sir William Sinclair of Manchester. Service at Manchester crematorium on  Wednesday June 11 at 10.30 am. In quiries to Kendal Milne & Co.

I have her mother's notice as well if you'd like it.

I have a lot of information about Sir William, some from the internet and some from Manchester.

His other family members were

Jane (my ggrandmother) b. 1839 (no official date yet); Angus b.1841 (no official date), Alexander b.Sept 30,1853.

As you are researching the Osborne side you may not want any more information on the Sinclairs but I have some more. Angus was well known in the US and can be found on line. Donald also went to the US.

It's lovely to be in touch and thanks for your prompt, informative replies.  Best wishes.

Margaret

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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 23 August 09 18:29 BST (UK) »
Isn't it fascinating how a house name acts as such an amazing link!  Honeyburn was the farm where Margaret Haddon grew up.  She married William Sinclair there having met him through her brother, John, who also practised in Manchester.
And yes, you deduced correctly that Agnes was one of her sisters - she had six, and two more brothers who were solicitors in Hawick, Roxburghshire.  Her two daughters came to Scotland regularly to visit the family and I remember Maggie Marriot when I was small.  Unfortunately I cannot lay my hands on any photographs of them.
My cousin remembers visiting her Auntie Belle in the 1930s in very grand house in Manchester.  And through her I finally solved the marriage of Osbourn aka Oppenheim: were they of Jewish origin or just German?
Enid
Brown - Galashiels; Cochrane - Galashiels and Kelso; Haddon - Selkirk and Peebles; Goodfellow, Laing, Scott, White - Hawick; Saunders - Plymouth and London; Hingston, Lindon, Sedgwick - Devon; Cruickshank,  Scott - Moray; Bruce - Alford, Aberdeenshire; Murray - Edinburgh, Lasswade; Alexander - Falkirk and Northumberland; Snowdon - Rothbury and Co.Durham; Hall - Northumberland and Co.Durham; Cook - Co.Durham; Hobson and Falshaw - Leeds and North Yorkshire;

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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #21 on: Friday 16 September 22 21:53 BST (UK) »
Dear Margaret, Enid and Kirsten,
I'm doing some family research now in 2022 and may have some interesting additional information about William. I'd be very interested in a photo of him if there are any. Are any of you still active on this forum? I'd love to hear from you.

Kind regards,
Anne


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I have a lot of information about Sir William, some from the internet and some from Manchester.

His other family members were

Jane (my ggrandmother) b. 1839 (no official date yet); Angus b.1841 (no official date), Alexander b.Sept 30,1853.

As you are researching the Osborne side you may not want any more information on the Sinclairs but I have some more. Angus was well known in the US and can be found on line. Donald also went to the US.

It's lovely to be in touch and thanks for your prompt, informative replies.  Best wishes.

Margaret


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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 17 September 22 23:20 BST (UK) »
I find all this fascinating!  Margaret Haddon, who married W J Sinclair, was not in a happy marriage.  I came across a letter to her brother John, complaining about her husband's drinking habits but saying she'd stay in the marriage  for their daughters' sake,  No, there were no grandchildren, and Auntie Bell was a lovely person but my vague memory of her was a formal lady.  She and her sister, Maggie, used to come up to the Borders each summer and her cousin, my father, a solicitor, used to talk to them with myself firmly in another room left with 'Pilgrim's Progress' as suitable reading material!!  Later Maggie left their holiday home to my aunt.  Yes, Agnes Goodfellow Haddon was Margaret's older sister.  And yes, WJ married my gt aunt in Scotland in 1883.  And yes, Honeyburn is the family farm - still in the family, and theirs is not the only family that called their English homes that, so I conclude it must have been a happy place (still is).  WJ had 5 siblings which I'm sure you've also discovered, 3 born in Forfar as he was, and two in Laurencekirk.  His parents came from Inverness-shire.  Jane married G C Burnett, Angus remained a bachelor (I think), Donald married Elizabeth McHardy and died in USA, Ann died as a 10 year old in Laurencekirk, Alexander married Jane Hunter and died in Troon, Ayrshire.  I'm sure by now you've probably got all this but I have a little more if you haven't
Brown - Galashiels; Cochrane - Galashiels and Kelso; Haddon - Selkirk and Peebles; Goodfellow, Laing, Scott, White - Hawick; Saunders - Plymouth and London; Hingston, Lindon, Sedgwick - Devon; Cruickshank,  Scott - Moray; Bruce - Alford, Aberdeenshire; Murray - Edinburgh, Lasswade; Alexander - Falkirk and Northumberland; Snowdon - Rothbury and Co.Durham; Hall - Northumberland and Co.Durham; Cook - Co.Durham; Hobson and Falshaw - Leeds and North Yorkshire;

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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #23 on: Friday 16 December 22 22:33 GMT (UK) »
Having just done Ancestry DNA and a bit of digging into certificates on Scotland’s People, I strongly believe that my great grandfather, William Bell, is the illegitimate son of William Japp Sinclair and an Aberdeen doctor’s daughter called Alice Jane Forsyth. He was born “William George Forsyth” in 1873 at the home address of William’s brother Donald Sinclair in Glasgow. So, if anyone has ANY further information about William Japp Sinclair and his family I would very interested. Alice appears never to have married. She seems to have tried to keep the baby initially, as she reregistered the birth at another address a month later.

I had heard a story once from an older relative that my great grandfather was adopted, but he had only discovered that when a birth parent had left him an inheritance sometime between 1900 and 1920. There was a “Lady Mary/Margaret” involved in that offer. According to the story, he rejected the “guilt money”. I thought it was just confused ramblings at time. It was only when I found his death certificate that I realised there was some truth behind what they were trying to tell me. His death certificate lists him as “William George Forsyth, also known as William Bell, parents unknown”.

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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 18 December 22 08:13 GMT (UK) »
Belle, Margaret, Anne
All sounds perfectly possible as WJS 's wife Margaret was not in a happy marriage.  Somewhere I have such a sad letter to her brother complaining of her treatment when WJS had drunk too much (often), saying she was staying in the marriage for the sake of their two daughters. Although both their daughters married neither of them had children, so no DNA trail there.
WJS was born in Forfar, Angus, 3rd son (4th child of 6) of Andrew Sinclair and Margaret McLeay both of Inverness-shire.  His medical degree was from Aberdeen in the 1870s and he took up practice in Manchester thereafter.
Somewhere I do have a photo which may well be of WJS with my grandfather/great-uncle (brothers of Margaret) - not very tall, up to the shoulder of my relation who was about 6 foot tall.  Needless to say, no-one has written on the back identifying the pair - the problem with many of my family photos.
When did the money transfer to William?  Margaret died 1935 in Didsbury so was it a mention in her will?  I also am interested in the 'Belle' name as one of William's half-sisters was known in the family as Auntie Belle which could mean that there was contact between them.  WJS died in 1913 in Manchester.
Brown - Galashiels; Cochrane - Galashiels and Kelso; Haddon - Selkirk and Peebles; Goodfellow, Laing, Scott, White - Hawick; Saunders - Plymouth and London; Hingston, Lindon, Sedgwick - Devon; Cruickshank,  Scott - Moray; Bruce - Alford, Aberdeenshire; Murray - Edinburgh, Lasswade; Alexander - Falkirk and Northumberland; Snowdon - Rothbury and Co.Durham; Hall - Northumberland and Co.Durham; Cook - Co.Durham; Hobson and Falshaw - Leeds and North Yorkshire;

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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 18 December 22 14:08 GMT (UK) »
I was told William Bell took none of the money offered when he found out he was adopted. It was sometime after 1910 and before 1920, but I don’t know when.


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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 18 December 22 17:08 GMT (UK) »
There seems to be a photo of William Japp Sinclair online (if that helps with IDing your photos).

https://digital.library.mcgill.ca/oslerprints/search-results.php?s=Sinclair,%20William%20Japp,%20Sir,%201846-1912%20--%20Portraits.