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Manchester Mystery of surname link
« on: Tuesday 17 January 06 13:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I have a little mystery surrounding who the wife of our great great uncle, George E Oppenheim was.  This is the only information that I have and I'm hoping someone can shed some light on the mystery of the differing surnames between daughter and father:

Isabel Haddon, younger daughter of Sir William Sinclair, of Manchester.

Kind regards and many thanks in advance

Kirsten
Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 17 January 06 15:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kirsten,
                 This is just a thought-- could Haddon be a surname used as a first name? This would mean her full name was Isabel Haddon Sinclair. Many people have come across similar things in their family tree, the name coming perhaps from their mother's maiden name or someone else that they wish to remember.
                   Hope this helps
                                Best Wishes
                                         Jane
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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 17 January 06 15:53 GMT (UK) »
The 1891 census would support that theory, Jane -

See 1891 RG12/3188 Folio 79 Page 5 - 250 Oxford Street, Chorlton on Medlock, Lancs

Let me know if you need full transcription Kirsten

Regards
Catherine  :)
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 17 January 06 18:26 GMT (UK) »
 :P

So obvious I missed it!  How brilliant to have you all to brainstorm with when I'm finding it something obscured.

I'd love that transcript.  Fascinating that it seems from the address that they were just down the road from where Ernest's father and the rest of the family lived (497 Oxford street/road).

Many thanks
Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
UK Census info. is Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 17 January 06 19:18 GMT (UK) »
Household in 1891 as follows -

William Japp? Sinclair 45 Doctor of Medicine Physician Surg Scotland
Margaret 36 Scotland
Margaret 5 Lancs Manchester
Isabella Haddon 4 Lancs Manchester
Emily Parry 26 Domestic Servant Cook Staffordshire Tamworth
Catherine Machin 16 Domestic Servant Nurse Staffordshire Hanley

Regards
Catherine  :)
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 17 January 06 20:59 GMT (UK) »
 :D

Absolutely brilliant thank you!

That's the second son to marry the daughter of a surgeon in this generation and makes finding information about them so much easier.  For those interested I've been able to establish the following:

Alexander Sinclair b (about 1819) Aberdeen, Scotland
married Margaret McLae b:27/12/1819 in Lanark, Scotland.

children:

Donald Sinclair b:5/11/1843, Laurencekirk, Kincardine, Scotland,
(m: 27/12/1872 at Lower Craighill, St. Cyrus Kincardine to
  Elizabeth McHardy b:05/07/1843 on December 27, 1872 )

William Japp Sinclair b:26/03/1846, Laurencekirk, Kincardine
Anne Sinclair b:07/10/1849, Laurencekirk, Kincardine

Alexander Fraser Sinclair b:23/10/1853, Laurencekirk, Kincardine

Thanks again for your help. If anyone can find them for any other years before and after 1891, I'd love to see how long they were in the area and indeed if they had further children after Isabel/Isabella.

Kirsten
Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 17 January 06 21:49 GMT (UK) »
Still there in 1901, though at first glance no Isabel: maybe at  school, I thought, but see below

William J Sinclair head 55 physician surgeon Scotland
Margaret ditto    wife 46                                        ditto
Margaret ditto daur s  16 student Manchester Lanc
Mabel  H.    ditto  s  14                 ditto        ditto
a mistranscription for Isabel, I'm sure
*Agnes G. Haddon sis in law s 52    Scotland*
Charles A Vince visitor 45 political agent  Handsworth Staffordshire
Margaret Owen servant s 2o waitress domestic Widnes Lanc
Alice Sawyer     ditto   s   38 cook        Cambridgeshire
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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 18 January 06 13:29 GMT (UK) »
 :)

Thanks Jane - the school idea is a good one.  If the boys all attended Rugby I wonder if anyone knows if the girls attended a similar institution in Lancashire for girls?

Kirsten
Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
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Re: Manchester Mystery of surname link
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 18 January 06 13:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kirsten,
             I should have made it clearer, sorry. I gave up the school idea -- girls of their class probably had a governess and were taught at home, though we don't see one on the census. Perhaps it was her day off, or they were in the process of finding a new one.
 I meant to say your Isabel Haddon is there in 1901, but she has been written down as Mabel H. (for Haddon.)
The name was probably misheard by the enumerator. the age is right, 14, and the H. initial would seem to agree with this theory.     
       Did you see the Agnes Haddon, who is visiting the family?
                               Hope this makes things clearer for you
                                                                    Jane
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