RE:1871 Census, Sutton, Surrey

[Leanne]

I am not sure how to reply to the person who helped me find my relatives in the 1871 Surrey Census yesterday as I am new to this. So I would like to thank Kris for finding them, that is James KINGMAN, I am really grateful for your help.
Thanks
Leanne

[krisesjoint]

You r welcome Leanne... ... glad to b able to give u a possitive result on your first posting. To reply to a message u simply hit the reply button on the bottom of the message u r trying to reply to. Of course if u have not signed in there will b no reply button so always make to always log on when u come on line and u should have no problems
All the best with your research
Glad 2 have been of help..hope u enjoy Rootschat as much as the rest of us do 
Kris

[Leanne]

Hello Kris,
I am still having trouble getting to your last message to reply, cause every time I have your message up, I have to keep logging in, I log in about 5 times and when I do I have lose your message.

Any way thanks for that informantion, I think I would be after the 30 year olds, Yes I would llike you to check out he Suffolk 1861 Census to see what you can find, could you check out his family as well, here are the details:

There parents names are: William FISHER and Mary Ann CARNELL/CURNALL
William Fisher CURNALL b. 9 Feb 1847, Hitcham Suffolk, England
John FISHER b. 25 Aug 1849, Bury St Edmonds, Suffolk, England
Robert FISHER b. 9 May 1852, Hitcham Suffolk, England
Anna Maria FISHER b. 1853, Hitcham, Suffolk, England
Phoebe Louisa b. 10 Jul 1856,Hitcham, Suffolk, England
Sarah FISHER b. 25 May 1857, Hitcham, Suffolk, England
Henry FISHER b. 1859 Hitcham Suffolk, England
Charles James FISHER B. 28 Aug 1860, Hitcham Suffolk, England
George Arthur FISHER b. 1869, Hitcham, Suffolk, England

I hope you don't mind checking it out.

Could you check to see where John FISHER b. 25 Aug 1849, Bury St Edmonds, Suffolk, England was in the 1871 Census, he may have been in Sutton Surrey, I know he was there in the 1881 Census, see below:

Household Record  1881 British Census 
   
Search results |  Download  Previous Household    Next Household 
 
  Household:

 Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
 John FISHER   Head   M   Male   32   Bury St Edmonds, Suffolk, England   Carman     
 Harriet R. FISHER   Wife   M   Female   35   Marylebone, Middlesex, England       
 Alice FISHER   Daur      Female   7   Sutton, Surrey, England   Scholar     
 George FISHER   Son      Male   5   Sutton, Surrey, England   Scholar     
 Sidney FISHER   Son      Male   2   Sutton, Surrey, England       
 Henry FISHER   Brother   U   Male   22   Bury, Suffolk, England   Carman     

Source Information:
  Dwelling   12 William Road
  Census Place Sutton, Surrey, England
  Family History Library Film   1341178
  Public Records Office Reference   RG11
  Piece / Folio   0758 / 80
  Page Number   41


Again thank you for your help

Regards
Leanne

[krisesjoint]

OOh I dont know what u r doing wrong then Leanne. If when I come online and bring up  Rootschat  through a reply in my email I will probably only b a guest ..When I want to reply I login through that message I am viewing as I did with this one by clicking on the login on the top right hand corner of this page. I login and I am still on your message and can then reply so I am confused y u lose the message when u login unless u r going to the home page or somewhere else first to login? U can do it right where u r viewing the message u dont have to leave to login....Sure u will work it out

1871 Census the family r all together in Hitcham

RG10/1720 ED 8 Folio 84 Page 4 Entry 23
Waterman
Hitcham

William Fisher Head 43 b Hitcham Thatcher
Mary Ann Fisher Wife 40 b Hitcham
John Fisher Son 21 b Hitcham Ag Labourer
Ann M Fisher 18 b Bildeston
Louerer Fisher Daughter 15 b Hitcham
Sarah Fisher Dau 13 b Hitcham
Henry Fisher Son 12 b Hitcham
Charles Fisher 10 b Hitcham
George Fisher son 2 b Hitcham
Alice Fisher 1 Grand Daughter b Cosford Union

By your list I could c that the one I have logged as Louerer should no doubt b your Phoebe Louisa

The thing I was getting at with Henry in the 91 is that there r 2 Henrys who r 30! so which one    I was hoping the brother George may b of help and I c he had a Brother George as well but not 10 
They dont want to make it easy for u I guess u dont know his wifes name or any childrens details I suppose?  and Finally the rest of the family r here but alas Can't find Robert Did he die? There is a Robert in Hitcham but he is with his parents Henry and Susannah who surprise surprise have sons Henry 14 and George 5. Couldnt find William Either. Re Henry I will go back to the thread where u requested that and Transcribe both Henrys then u will just have to sort out which one is Son of William and Mary Ann and Which one is Son of Henry and Susannah...they r making it hard both declaring to b 30 in the census...naughty boys...

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

Just been through disc and here they r in 1861

RG9/1133 Folio 89 Page 9 Entry 55
Green Chapel Cottages
Hitcham Suffolk

William Fisher Head 33 b Hitcham Ag Labourer
Mary Ann Fisher Wife 39 B Hitcham
William Fisher Son 14 b Hitcham
John Fisher Son 12 b Hitcham (his age really does look like 19 but the more I blow it up I can just barely convince myself it says 12 LOL-guarantee it will b transcribed as 19 for any later transcripts of the census-wish i could send it it really does look like 19)
Robert Fisher Son 10 b Hitcham
Anna Fisher Dau 8 b Hitcham
Louisa Fisher Dau 6 b Hitcham
Sarah Fisher Dau 5 b Hitcham
Henry Fisher Son 3 b Hitcham
Charles Fisher Son 7 Months

Cheers Kris

[Leanne]

Hi Kris,
Thank you for the information on the 1861 Census, yes John should only be 12 yrs old not 19, It is no wonder that we have trouble finding our relatives at least they had Census not like here in Australia, it is going to be hard to find anyone in years to come.

Did you get the link for the following:
That Ray Long has done, if you need any info you can email him and he will give it to you, After you clicked on the link, then go and click on the Hitcham link and search, I did that for the Henry Fishers and found that they lied about there age when the Census were done, which makes it harder to work out which one is mine.

See part of the Cosford Database at
http://www.cosford-database.co.uk

You may already know of this site, if not you want to take a look.

Regards
Leanne

[krisesjoint]

Hi Leanne ...yes I had seen the Cosford Data Base b4 but had a look at Henry and yes they should b nearly 5 years diff in age but they r the same in 91 I even tried 1901 to c if by chance one had decided he was substantially older than the other but alas .....same thing one is 42 the other 43 so I have no idea how u will sort that one out.
All the best ....hope u work it out.
Kris

[Leanne]

Hi Kris,

Thanks for your help anyway, I might have hire a film to check out there marriages and work it out from there.

Leanne