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[M.T.H]

I do not know his regiment but I wonder if he got the medals through being injured in battle.

Hi Criggy,

I'm not sure where Kev is, but in the meantime I can identify the medals for you.

From left to right on the photo he is wearing;

The Crimean War Medal

http://www.historikorders.com/balme.jpg

The Indian General Service Medal (With Clasp)

http://www.historikorders.com/1959a.jpg

The Indian Mutiny Medal

http://www.historikorders.com/1448.jpg

These medals weren't awarded for injury in battle but for taking part in certain Campaigns. The Indian General Service Medal was awarded for over 40 years from 1854 to 1895  to men who served in India, there were 24 different clasps that were awarded for involvement in Campaigns and expedition's.

Hope this helps a bit,

Mick

[criggy]

Hi Mick

Many thanks for your input, very much appreciated.  I was secretly hoping that someone might recognise the medals although they were a bit faded so I didn't hold out too much hope.

The family tales were probably true then, after all
Alfred couldn't have been the Alfred May born in 1846 though as he would have been too young. I think that perhaps my Nicholas May may have had another older son named Alfred May, perhaps the younger one being named after him! Nicholas was in the 6th dragoons when he married his first wife so it may be possible that the older Alfred was born elsewhere or even somewhere abroad.

Once again, many thanks

Regards

criggy

[M.T.H]

You're welcome Criggy!

I did double check the i.d. of the medals with a medal collector friend,so you can be sure that they are the right one's and they would appear to confirm the family stories.

Interesting to hear that his father was also in the army as son's of serving army men could join up at 14 (younger in some cases and usually,but not alway's, in the same regiment) and usually as bandsmen, drummers, bugler's etc. and if they took part in the Campaign's (and many did!) they were awarded the same medals as the men.

One thing I am a bit puzzled about, if the photo is Alfred May, I'm not sure why he isn't on the Indian Mutiny medal roll! It lists all of the recipients,the only likely contender's would seem to be Alfred Mayes and possibly Alfred Maybank. 

http://users.rootsweb.com/~indwgw/medalpage.htm

What is needed is the regiment he served with.If Alfred's children (if he had any) were born during his service, then his rank and regiment should be noted on the birth certificates.

Good luck,

Mick

[criggy]

Hi Mick

Many thanks for your input once again.

The 6th dragoons info was from Alfred's father's first marriage in 1826. He had left the dragoons by the 1841 census though.

It is a mystery why Alfred is not on the list as you say. If he had been with the regiment he would have been 10 -13! Alfred went off to be a miner in Wales & did not marry so no help there.

The photogaph came from a correspondant whose grandmother, Emma, was Alfred's youngest half-sister. Alfred was 18 years older than Emma but was still with the family in the 1871 census aged 25.

He also sent photo's of George & Henry, Emma's two brothers so think the photo must be correct. A date for an older (?) Alfred's birth was put at 1834 but I've no idea where this date came from. (Was it on the back of the photo perhaps?)

However, there were two other older half brothers, George & Nicholas. The earlier George was born about 1833  & was around in the 1851 census although I haven't found him after that. Will have to have another search for him. However it seems likely that this George may have died 1851-1859 & the second George was named after him. There are George Mays in the list!

Lots of mysteries in this family but I'm slowly unravelling some of them. At least I now know exactly what the medals are, so many thanks once again for that.

Regards

criggy

[malcolm1]

Hi Kev

A long shot, but can you look for a Thomas Shinkwin in the Crimea records. He was in 50th Foot. 1851 Census shows him as a Musician Drummer and 1861 Census as a Corporal. Many years ago the family had his Crimea medal with clasps Alma Imkerman and Sebastapol. He was my great-grandfathers's stepson. GG (Theophilus Liebrecht) was also with the 50th Foot from 1842 to 1853. Married Margaret Shinkwin in India 1842 (widow of John Shinkwin of 44th Foot - killed in Khyber Pass.

Thanks a lot

Malcolm L

[bibbypj]

Hi - anyone know what's happened to this thread?

Is it now defunct, as no postings have been replied to for some time now.

Paul B

[saxonw.]

Hi I'm new to this board but I wonder if you may be able to help. I'm looking for James Baker ,named in his son's birth certificate in November 1857 as a private in the 7th Dragoon Guards. I believe that the 7th didn't participate in the Crimea but were posted over to India in 1858.Is this correct? Also  by 1861 in the Census his wife is declaring herself a widow but of course this may well be grass widow alone. If you could give me any guidance as to whether he was a casualty in India. I am also interested to find out where the 7th recruited to where he came from . As his wife Mary Nolan was Irish I'm wondering whether he was recruited  in Ireland or it was a posting over there,This may help me find where they came from.

[Kevwood]

Hi everyone, sorry for the delay, i have been incredibly busy and havn't been able to get on here for quite a while, i will try and look back at the requests and see what i can do. asap

Kev.

[Kevwood]

Well!!!


Firstly, just to reiterate, the Indian Mutiny casualty roll i have is a book(indexed by regiment), therefore it isn't fully searchable so unless you have a regiment or idea of one then i would have to spend an hour going through it for each person, im nice  but not that nice sorry.

The Crimean casualty list is online
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/heatherasplin/home2.html

I have the book , but now it is online, i use that instead,for the same reason as above. So you can double check it if you want.

Here we go:(not good results)

NMcS : none of them listed
Tigger: no Chesters listed in the 84th
Bibbypj: No James Bibbys there are some others if interested
ClazyAunt: Got a Gunner John Saunders(RA) slightly wounded at Lucknow 9/3/1858 and 11/3/1858
Mountain Man: not listed , see above link
Rosemay: No Roger Woods in medal list or casualty roll
Andreajs: not listed, see above link
malcolm1: not listed, see above link
criggy: thanks Mick
saxonw: welcome, the 7th dragoons aren't listed in the book, they must be under another regiment.

Nothing useful, sorry people.

Kev.