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Re: census look up please 1841 Huddersfield
« Reply #36 on: Monday 06 June 11 23:23 BST (UK) »
Dobby,

I should note that I am aware of the John North, son of John North, who was baptized at Kirkheaton on April 21, 1739.  I can find nothing else about him, though.  I concede he could be the son of John (1698-1783), the husband of Elizabeth, and the father of Ruth.  But I believe that my previous supposition has more to support it, despite the huge age difference between presumed father and daughter.

Thanks for listening!

Taddy.
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Re: census look up please 1841 Huddersfield
« Reply #37 on: Monday 06 June 11 23:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Taddy.

With snips & bits of info with single line entries of PR- BMD's to 1754 marriages! -when we got witnesses -single or  Widow/er and if lucky on any single line BMD an abode up to 1812 anything is possible but 75 is a bit old even them days  :-\ if he had  married Liz say 1763 at 65 that would be more possible

John North death 1783 may have a Will or Probate administration of his estate if he left no will but gives names of executors-maybe other names.

If I find anything else I'll post









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« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 07 June 11 21:40 BST (UK) »
Kirkheaton parish register 1786 page 88 Entry 201

Willaim Hirst X Eizabeth North

Married by Licence

Witnesses Joseph Blackburn
                 Ruth Lodge

Curate signed for William Hirst ? (Same hand writting)

Elizabeth North  left her mark

5th March 1786 Kirkheaton Parish Church

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Bond Allegation film 1440 ref 431786 (Ref is date 4.3.1786 Borthwick York Uni)

(The written part only did not bother with standard printed text on form only important bits)

The Obligation


George 111


William Hirst of the parish of Kirkheaton in the county of York, Clothier and
John Horncliffe of said parish, Clothier (Bestman or Bondsman)

Year or our Lord 4th March 1786

Willaim Hirst & Elizabeth North widow

The Bond

George111

Year or our Lord 4th March 1786


On this Day appeared William Hirst of the Parish of Kirkheaton in the diocese
of York, Clothier

Be sworn, alleged and made oath: That he is aged 41 years a widower

intends to marry Eizabeth North of the said parish aged 48 widow

William Hirst left his mark



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Re: census look up please 1841 Huddersfield
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 07 June 11 22:00 BST (UK) »
John North Coxwinder X Elizabeth Tweedale spinster

Both of this town -St Peter's Parish Huddersfield county of York

By banns

3 rd Feb 1786

John North signed

Elizabeth Tweedale left her mark

Witnesses

James Booth

John Hanson (Henson?)

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« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 07 June 11 22:09 BST (UK) »
John North X Elizabeth Baumford

Both of this parish of Kirkheaton in the county of York

by Banns 6 th, 13 th, and 20 th of June 1773

24 th June 1773

John North Signed

Elizabeth Baumford left her mark

witnesses

John Hallas

Elizabeth Haworth
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Re: census look up please 1841 Huddersfield
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 07 June 11 22:13 BST (UK) »

Info finding

Only possibility link is Both John North's marriages 1760 and 1773 marriage both signed their names
both very similar

Hope it helps

I'll make no judgement!!! either way! It's not my family.

Dobby

PS There is no Will or Administration of a probate of estate for a John North of Kirkheaton in the Will index from 1783 to 1790 book at Borthwick York
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Re: census look up please 1841 Huddersfield
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 08 June 11 01:10 BST (UK) »
Dobby, that is some strong work.  Thank you!  It certainly throws the preponderance of the evidence towards showing that the second (we presume) Mrs. William Hirst was in fact John North's widow and Ruth Broadbent's mother.  Now the question remains, Which John North?  I wish there were not so many John Norths abiding in Kirkheaton parish at the same time!

Elizabeth's age at the time of her second marriage places her at nearly the same age as the John North baptized in 1739.  But the timing of her second marriage rather suggests (I did not say "proves"!  :) ) that she was remarrying after the 1783 death of her first husband.

I wonder if there is a monumental inscription for the John North baptized in 1739.  I shall search the pages sent to me years ago by the staff at one of the WY libraries or archives.

Are those published indexes you consult?  If so, I really should purchase copies.  I also think the idea the gentleman interested in Kirkheaton churchyard has about placing Legh Tolson's book on CD is fantastic.  I'd certainly support it.

I cannot thank you enough for your help.  I shall weigh the evidence very carefully before drawing any real conclusions.  But my original hypothesis has yet to be disproved!

What an interesting people the Kirkheaton folk were/are...especially in Dalton.

Gratefully,
Taddy.

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« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 08 June 11 06:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Taddy,

The bond allegation information was taken by me off the original record on micro film at Borthwick York after consulting the index first. With postage to the USA it will not be much cost to obtain a copy from them,

The John North marriages info again was taken from original copies on micro film at the Huddersfield library! again won't cost much to obtain copies of! to study the John's signatures

I think I would accept Mrs Elizabeth Hirst as Ruth North's b 1774 Mother Elizabeth Baumford or Elizabeth Tweedale (the death of this Tweedale actual lady prior to 1773 may be a clue)

Next job is to work on elimination of any other possible son John bapt (21 plus years before Ruth's bapt year 1774 Kirkheaton PR.) candidates if any?  working on a son of John sr Death 1783 Kirkheaton, possible marriages and John deaths-wife deaths.

This! if any evidence is found that will support any theories you have enough to accept to a reasonable high degree as true or same level as a  man/woman jury of 12. (ask 12 friends to judge when evidence is found and concluded- You take a back seat and await judgement of)

If anything else turns up -will post.

Dobby

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Re: census look up please 1841 Huddersfield
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 08 June 11 09:39 BST (UK) »
|Hi Dobby,
Thanks for info.
Sandra