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Re: census look up please 1841 Huddersfield
« Reply #54 on: Thursday 09 June 11 22:22 BST (UK) »
1700 to 1750 Kirkheaton

Baptisms of father John ( Excluding John Of John Already Given above)

20 May 1710   Blank   of John North       Dalton
18 Aug  1723   Ann     of John North       Dalton
13 Jan 1741/2  Ann     of John North       Lepton
20 Aug   1749  Arthur  of John North       Dalton
28 May 1711  Benjamin of John North     ----------
19 Oct  1728 Elizabeth of John North     Lepton
9  Nov   1734 Hannah of John North       ----------
10 May 1727 Joseph  of John North       Dalton
1 Sept  1717 Mary     of John North       Dalton
27 Nov  1725 Mary     of John North       Dalton
26  Feb 1731/2 Mary    of John North      Lepton
24 July 1737 Mary      of John North      Heaton
10 Oct 1730 Matthew  of John North     Dalton
26 Dec 1741 Nancy    of John North      Heaton
24 Sept 1742 Phebe   of John North      Dalton
14 Aug 1734 Sarah     of John north      Lepton
30 Nov 1732 Stephen  of John North     Dalton
1   May 1737 Tabatha of John North    Dalton
17 Aug 1716 William   of John North     Dalton
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Re: census look up please 1841 Huddersfield
« Reply #55 on: Friday 10 June 11 02:22 BST (UK) »
Hi

That about wraps it up as things to look up. With all them John's bapts  ???
also Almondbury and Kirkburton also Huddersfield so close! having more John's



Ruth's GT grandfather (by dates) could a have been Benjamin with one wife being called Ruth and living at Coldroid (royd) Dalton. No doubt Benjamin had other sons who in turn had sons called John. Who was Ruth's grand father is the question most folk will ask or how do you prove J'no's dad was John or Benjamin or an unknown?. The grave flatstones memorials at Kirkheaton in the old ground have been moved from their original location, so stones that are near to each other today (Broadbent's & North's) is pure chance and is not where they were buried originally in most cases.

Yes Well ::)

I have looked for John North's burial 1783 Will! without success! but there could be a Will with Ruth's name in, the real father! if he was a younger dad and died much later in the early 19th century   ???

This my last post reply on this subject! matter.

Regards Dobby
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Re: census look up please 1841 Huddersfield
« Reply #56 on: Saturday 11 June 11 01:45 BST (UK) »
Dobby,

A million thanks for all your efforts.  You have gone the extra mile, and John North and I appreciate it.

I shall choose my words very carefully when writing about this North-Broadbent connexion!

Kindest regards,
Taddy.
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« Reply #57 on: Saturday 11 June 11 06:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Taddy.

The residence of Coldroid and Ruth wife of Benjamin still point to a very strong  family connection path back from Ruth bapt 1774 to them though!. ;) long overgrown! other North Wills maybe the lawn mowers

Good Hunting!

Dobby

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« Reply #58 on: Saturday 11 June 11 08:23 BST (UK) »
My thoughts exactly, Dobby.  I realize you are probably weary of this topic by now, but other readers may benefit from a recapitulation of all the facts we have analysed. 

Since reading your last post, I have thought very deeply about the possibility that my hypothesis had been unrealistic.  So I reviewed my files again.  I also put it to a very skeptical friend of mine.  The only fact which gives us pause is the long span of years between the births of John North (1698-1783) and Ruth North Broadbent (b. ca. 1774).  But there are a number of facts (and hints) which tend to outweigh that:

1.  Although I'm aware that some of the old tombstones in the Kirkheaton churchyard have been moved, yet it seems quite a coincidence that the stones of the Norths of Coldroyd and the Broadbents of Coldroyd and some of their descendants all found their way to the same location.  The Broadbents whom my ancestor left behind in Dalton and Kirkheaton were very studious people, very conscious of their heritage, and seemingly very much attached to the fact that Coldroyd was the ancestral house.  I suspect they would have at least observed, if not become involved with, any movement of monuments, especially those Broadbents who dwelt very near the church.

2.  As you point out, the name "Ruth" is a strong hint.  While not an unusual name, "Ruth" is not extremely common either.  It is very likely that a son of Ruth Pollard North would have named his daughter for her; it certainly follows the naming patterns widely employed in the XVIII. and XIX. centuries.

3.  Coldroyd!  I notice that the parish register often refers to the Norths "of Coldroyd," including when the John (1698-1783) who now commands our attention was buried.  And when John Broadbent (1795-1856)'s last-born child was baptized, she was listed as a daughter of John Broadbent "of Coldroyd Dalton."  Although I believe at one point there were as many as ten families residing at Coldroyd during the Victorian industrial boom, yet I believe that in the Norths' days and early Broadbent tenancy, the place accommodated fewer families, not unlike its present configuration.  Coldroyd is definitely the badge of consanguinity between the old Norths and my Broadbents.

4.  Back to the old-time naming pattern: Ruth Broadbent named her second daughter "Elizabeth," which, if one follows the common naming pattern of that time, would suggest (though not prove) that Ruth North Broadbent's mother's forename was "Elizabeth" (the first daughter being "Sarah" for the husband's mother).  And indeed we have one John North marrying ELIZABETH Balmforth just in time to have Ruth!  And...we have the widow Elisabeth North remarrying to William Hirst in 1784 or 1785.  This suggests to me that she was the widow of John North of Coldroyd (1698-1783), remarrying as soon as it was respectable to do so after his death.

5.  While there are tons of John Norths around Kirkheaton parish during that era, the Coldroyd line itself seems to be pretty slender.  I can find no trace of any children born to John (1625-1695) and Margaret North except Benjamin.  And, oddly enough for those days, I can find no trace of any child born to either of Benjamin's wives except for John (1698-1783).  That is almost unbelievable for that time period. 

6.  I am open to believing that Ruth (b. 1774) could have been the great-granddaughter of Benjamin and Ruth through another son's line, but such a line just doesn't seem to be there.  I suppose that either of the Robert Norths whom you list as having sons John could possibly be a son of Benjamin, but is there record of Robert's baptism?  I have not found any.

6.  If John North of Coldroyd (1698-1783) was (first) married to Mary Senior in 1724, we can probably eliminate the John North son of John of Dalton baptized in 1721 as John of Coldroyd's son.  Likewise, the John North baptized in 1739, of Ludgit, died in 1788, so he could not have been the husband of Elizabeth North, widow, who married Wm. Hirst in 1785 (although that doesn't necessarily mean he couldn't have fathered Ruth).  And there aren't any other Johns who qualify as Ruth North's father in 1774.

Perhaps a will will indeed turn up which resolves this issue.  Let us hope!

Thanks again!
Taddy.
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« Reply #59 on: Saturday 11 June 11 11:51 BST (UK) »
This is my last post as work building up! while sat here.

I always say after putting my thoughts, case and sources! With the lack of clear evidence? its is up to the reader to judge or investigate futher.

Some info is better than no info to work on! all idea's are good because it adds to the some total Knowledge -Right or wrong if only Eimination or to accept!

Keep up your interesting ancestry at all cost!  :)

Dobby

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« Reply #60 on: Saturday 11 June 11 12:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks again!

And, yes, what beats the School of Experience?

Yes! Thats it! if it sounds stupid or impossible-go for it! like a bull at a gate! pure  Experience of thumps and bumps  ;D and find whats on the other side of the gate!  ;)
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« Reply #61 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 00:04 BST (UK) »
Found this at WYAS Wakefield Archive register of Deeds and Diocese Registers

Deeds Wills index Book (2nd 1800's book of 2-First book 1700's)
1862 John Broadbent North of West Ardsley Woodchurch

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« Reply #62 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 02:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Dobby! Ya never know!
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