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« Reply #27 on: Sunday 05 June 11 04:24 BST (UK) »
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Your Cousin in Huddersfield could try visiting YAS Leeds by appointment

http://www.yas.org.uk/content/claremont.html


Ask to see Red Book MS 517 by Tolson! It has all the early to mid- Wills transcribed for Kirkheaton.

If you live near a Latterday saints Church ancestry family library open to non church members- They have MS 517 Tolson Kirkheaton Book on micro film to order to view in the USA



http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=406046&disp=Parish+register+transcripts+for+Kirkheat%20%20&columns=*,180,0
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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« Reply #28 on: Sunday 05 June 11 17:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Dobby. 
Actually, my nearest cousin lives in Leeds! And she is familiar with the Tolson book.  There is a poem in it about my immigrant ancestor and his brother.
Legh Tolson was another relative.
And, yes! I live about four miles from a very helpful LDS family history centre.  That is where I have spent days poring over the Kirkheaton parish records.
I appreciate all your help, and was especially glad to receive your photos of the North monument; my cousin did a splendid job of accuracy.  The only item I question is whether Mary, first wife of John North (near bottom of monument), was 38 (cousin's conclusion) or 58 (which would make her more John's vintage); from the photo, it could be either one, but I tend towards thinking it is 38.
Many thanks again.
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« Reply #29 on: Sunday 05 June 11 19:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Taddy

Apart from query of uncle George North, you have Cousins with access repositories who will be well versed in where to find doc's like Wills & old doc's ( or easy to google search find ?)or MS 517 in your LDS local library and all the North already translated Wills you refered to are in MS 517 that your Leeds cousin has accessed! I'm a little puzzled why you asked about where to obtain original documents in the first place. ???

However you seem to be content with what rootschat have helped you with and that what counts

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« Reply #30 on: Sunday 05 June 11 19:53 BST (UK) »
Sorry to puzzle you, Dobby.  Both cousins in WY who have done research are now getting on in years, and I am reluctant to ask them to do legwork.  I have found, however, that the staffs of the various repositories in WY are quite helpful; so I thought if I had specific references to the various North documents, it would expedite the search.

I did forget one really important search: When John Broadbent of Coldroyd dwelt in Philadelphia, PA, he became close friends with JJE Mayall, the celebrated photographer who later settled in London and Brighton.  Mayall, who photographed Queen Victoria, made a daguerreotype of JB gratis, and JB sent/gave it to his sister Ruth (later Mrs. Abraham Tattersall, of greater Leeds).  Would it not make a lovely frontispiece for "John Broadbent of Coldroyd, Dalton and his Descendants"?  But how to track the Tattersall descendants who have a common surname, lived in a large city, and were not notable/landed/etc., so far as I know.  My relative in Leeds threw up her hands at the idea, but I am a bit more stubborn.   ;D  I ask, What would Legh Tolson do?
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« Reply #31 on: Sunday 05 June 11 20:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Taddy,
Now I understand, libraries & archive don't charge too much for copies! its the finding that cost. Only future info finding advice I can give is to Google websites like Genuki and LDS and many more. Take a little time to think your search entry in Google/Yahoo or other search engines, trying various wording attempts also google books website. Then go for forum websites giving a  brief of your problem and what you have already attempted  as this saves others retrying on the net. There is always chance then a forum member of the website will think that! outside help is need offline! if they live near repositories and they conclude its a genuine case! they may/will help resolve the issue.

Your photo! You could try a classified add in a Leeds newspaper? try contacting Leeds library and YAS for advice on and the photographers work.
Ancestry dot thingy members doing Broadbent's ancestry or Tattersall may send out Indian scouts or jungle drum messages to their relo's in Leeds
I think its a ICB missile shot but you never know.

Dobby
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« Reply #32 on: Sunday 05 June 11 20:47 BST (UK) »
Dobby,
Thanks again! I shall follow through (or more probably muddle through somehow).
As for the Leeds search: I had actually found someone on Ancestry who had these people on her tree; however, they were only collateral, and she knew nothing further about them.  But you were on the right track!  The classified ad might also work.
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« Reply #33 on: Sunday 05 June 11 21:02 BST (UK) »
Try posting on the photo restore board as there maybe a copy of the photo in some archive of the photographers work, there are many photography experts on there who may know about this type of photo. I afraid its not my subject
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« Reply #34 on: Monday 06 June 11 22:12 BST (UK) »
Ruth North baptised 26 th Dec 1774 son of Jno
.............................................................................................................................
John North

married 24 th June 1773 Banns laid 27th May 1773 Kirkheaton

Elizabeth Beumford

MARRIAGE

BATCH No M01272-3

FILM 990704

REF Blank

BANNS

BATCH No 102901-8

FILM 9937O2

REF No p141

It very unlikely this John North below D 1783 was the John above in the marriage as he would have been 75  at marriage in 1773 also the is no mention of a 2nd wife of John d 1783 on the grave stone

John North X Mary Senyor married 3 rd Feb 1724 Kirkheaton
 
As Bottom of gravstone Old Ground  BL- 17. Kirkheaton
 
John North born 1698 died Oct 30 th 1783 age 85
 
Mary his Wife born 1701 died March 2 nd 1759 aged 58


 
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« Reply #35 on: Monday 06 June 11 23:07 BST (UK) »
Dobby, you made my day.

The info you posted bolsters a theory I have had for a number of years but could not prove.

As improbable as it may seem, it is not impossible that John North, born 1698, was the father of Ruth North Broadbent, born 1774.  I have searched in vain for another John North who could be old John's son and Ruth's father.   

Here is my supposition: John North (1698-1783), son of Benjamin and Ruth, wed Mary (Senior, we now know, in 1724).  Mary died in 1759, and John remarried (at least once) to Elizabeth (Beumford, we now know, in 1773), who bore him Ruth.  John dies in 1783, and Elizabeth remarries to William Hirst on March 5, 1784/5.  Elizabeth is not included on North monument because she remarried; however, right smack against the North monument are the two Broadbent monuments chronicling the next three generations, even in America, starting with Ruth.  (I think that there is a fourth monument nearby, to Edward Broadbent, but it is immaterial to this hypothesis.)

I grant you that it is more likely that John and Mary had a son John who married Elizabeth Beumford and had Ruth.  But I cannot find (either in records or on a monumental inscription) a younger John to be Ruth's father, and it is rather compelling that old Johnny died in 1783 and very shortly thereafter in 1784/5 "Elizabeth North" married William Hirst in Kirkheaton.  It is also compelling, though not probative, that the child of this unlikely marriage was named Ruth, probably after the old father's mother, nee Ruth Pollard.  The only puzzle is what old John was doing between 1759 and 1773.  This is why I had suspected he married Elizabeth Tweedale in Huddersfield in 1760.  I strongly suspected that Ruth's mother's forename was "Elizabeth" because Ruth and James Broadbent seemed to employ that old naming pattern for their children, and their second daughter was named "Elizabeth."  Again, not probative, but supportive.

If there was an intervening generation between old John and my Ruth, then where is it?  It seems strange that a whole generation would go unmentioned in a six-generation chronicle on three adjoining tablets; it's not as if they had no room! for there was quite a span of time before some of the later Broadbents were added.  And why would Ruth be the one to be buried there unless she was the likely candidate as old John's eldest child to the second marriage.  Moreover, I have had no luck connecting our Coldroyd Norths with any other Norths in that vicinage.

Of course, the intervening "pond" does not help me in solving this puzzle. 

Thanks especially for posting the Batch and Film numbers, because for some reason I cannot find Kirkheaton records from the mid-XVIII. century on IGI or on the films I heretofore examined at LDS Family History Center.  No trouble finding the earlier and later ones; just that period in the middle.

I think I shall attempt attaching a collage I made for the Huddersfield cousin, showing Kirkheaton church, late cousin Maurice Broadbent at North-Broadbent stones, and garden view of the old house at Coldroyd, still standing, where the Norths, Broadbents, and Kilners lived.

Again, you made my day and earned some stars in your crown.

Taddy.
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