Looking for Fadzens in Scotland

[JAP]

Rose,

If they were mine, I would be more than confident that we were looking at the right people!

It would seem to be too much of a coincidence to find (and I note that you mentioned that Jane FADZEN was born in Wigtonshire - I don't know the source of this.  Now I see that it is from the 1881 Bellfieldside census where Jane is transcribed on FamilySearch as FADYEN though from the image it could well say FADZEN - a 60 yo widow b Wigtonshire, with unmarried children Mary 25 and Robert 22 both b Durham):
* Joseph McFAZZIAN marrying Jane LITTERICK in Mochrum Wigtonshire in 1841
* Joseph McFADZEAN (30), wife Jane (32), and children Jane (7), and John (5) in Penninghame (all of them born Mochrum) in the 1851 census (31 Mar 1851)
* Janet MCFADYEN, daughter of Joseph McF and Jane LITTERICK, christened in Nov 1851 in Penninghame
*Joseph FADZEN (might be FADYEN though it looks like a 'z' to me i.e. it is different from the enumerator's 'y' - 39), Jane (39), Jane (17), John (13), Janet (10) all born Scotland - plus Mary and Eliz (both 6) and Robert (3) - in Durham in 1861
*Jane  FADGEN (49 and widowed), John (25), Jannet (18), all born Scotland - plus Mary (15) and Robert (13) - in Durham in 1871.

I guess the obvious way to verify that Jane FADZEN/FADGEN's maiden name was LITTERICK is to purchase a birth certificate for one of the children born in Durham.

Then perhaps wait until you can get 1841 census details (when it comes online at FreeCEN, or at ScotlandsPeople which is promised soon, or via a request on the Wigtonshire board) from which you might find (if Joseph and Jane were with their parents - note that they didn't marry until October and the 1841 census was 7 Jun) the forenames of the parents of Joseph and Jane.  Also some info about the birthplaces of the parents though the 1841 was fairly limited in the information provided - in the county, elsewhere in Scotland, or in England, Ireland, or Foreign.

If you get this information, you will then be able to search for them - in the IGI, on ScotlandsPeople, etc.

If the parents were considerate enough to remain alive until the time of Statutory Registration in Scotland (it began in 1855) a Scottish death certificate usually holds a wealth of information.

Good luck,

JAP
PS: I wouldn't give a moment's thought to the variability in spelling - you'll probably find many more versions!  Though I must admit that MCFAZZIAN is quite a creative spelling - it's the only one in the IGI/ScotlandsPeople.
One of the names I am researching (a one-name study) occurs in both 'Mc' versions and versions without a 'Mc' - and I'm up to over 90 variant spellings to date and still counting.
Incidentally, don't forget that LITTERICK also might be variably spelled e.g. LITTRICK, LETTERICK, etc ...   

[Rose224]

Jap - I will indeed do all of the above.  Thank you.

I feel like the little bird that everyone is teaching how to fly so I can leave the nest.   I would love to post on the Wigtownshire board to what else I might learn but I am afraid that at some point people will get mad and think I am just sitting back and letting everyone else do my work.   Do you folks ever get to that point or can I continue to search AND ask for all the help I can get?

[JAP]

Rose,

We are all just mad would-be puzzle solvers and are delighted to have something to worry at!

It can't hurt to ask on the Wigton board - if people can't answer (or even if they don't wish to) then no harm's done!  But do mention this thread so they aren't duplicating things which have already been found.

And don't ever hesitate to ask HOW things have been found.

I've just glanced at the FreeBMD coverage for births in the years when twins Mary & Eliz (ca 1855) and little Robert (ca 1858) were born - unfortunately it is really poor (look on the main FreeBMD page (just enter FreeBMD in Google and it will be the top hit) and click on 'Information'); and there's only partial coverage of images of the actual books.  So you might need to go to the pay site 1837online to find a reference in order to purchase a birth cert - unless someone can help from another source.

Good luck,

JAP

[Rose224]

Thank you.  I will.

[alllegs]

Hi Rose,

What a break through,  I also found the marriage of Jane and Joseph and Janet's birth but obviously Jap beat me to it!!  Went out to brother in laws birthday meal last night and missed everything here!!!  Oh dear!!

Hope you've been able to digest everything!

Best wishes
Legs
xxxx

[Rose224]

Legs:  It is a breakthrough, but I must say - I feel so incredibly dumb.  I am a college degreed corporate executive but I just sit here with my jaw hanging open at how fast you guys find this stuff.  Please don't laught but I just figured out last night how to print the 1861 Durham census - and that was only because Tati/Tanja gave me specific instructions and the RG, Folio and Page numbers to put in.  However she also gave me the information for the 1871 census and I cannot get that one to come up!!

Before I pay to ordered certain documents would someone be able to tell me if the records I downloaded from Family Search (Gencom files) are copies of the actual certificates or just a transcribed version.  If they are actual copies of "real" records, can someone tell me what I have to buy or download to view the Gencom files?

[Tati]

I'm sorry if I made yet another mistake when I gave you 1871 references, Rose
RG10/4957 72 69

They are down as 'Fadgen'.

(Rest of post edited by myself)

Tanja 
 

[Rose224]

Hi Tanya.  No mistake, those were the numbers but when I put them in I don't know what I am doing wrong but it tells me no records!  I will try again with the broader search * and cross my fingers.

[Rose224]

I just wanted everyone to know that someone found the info from the 1841 census.  It is:

"I found Joseph and Jane on the 1841 census - see below

Mochrum Litterick Agnes 1 Wig 1,10 Landberrick 6

Mochrum Litterick Hugh 22 Wig 1,10 Landberrick 6

Mochrum Litterick James 37 farmer Wig 1,10 Landberrick 6

Mochrum Litterick Jane 34 Wig 1,10 Landberrick 6

Mochrum Litterick Jane 35 Wig 1,10 Landberrick 6

Mochrum Litterick Jannet 10 Wig 1,10 Landberrick 6

Mochrum Litterick John 5 Wig 1,10 Landberrick 6

Mochrum Litterick Robert 1 Wig 1,10 Landberrick 6

Mochrum McFadzen Joseph 20 male servant Ire 1,10 Landberrick 6

I saw the 2 Janes aged 34 and 35 and checked the Index booklets to make sure there should be two entries incase this was a mistake but there were indeed two Jane's so close together according to the census booklet. I assume one would have been James' sister and the other his wife."

It looks like I am now going hunting in Ireland.  My preliminary searches are failing when I search for Joseph.  If anyone else has any luck, please let me know.  I have ordered Jane and Joseph's marriage cert.  Maybe that will identify a county to start searching.