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Peter is still an enigma! The fact his father is listed as John throws everything off.  Where did you get the marriage? I’ve tried to look on FreeBMD but have never found it. Was he using an alias?

That is frustrating that Jane’s husband is not mentioned, nor that the workhouse records exist.

I do have some (very) tentative connection for John Conroy as the son of James Conroy & Mary Malloy.

I don’t know if I mentioned this but I recently purchased the GRO record for Mary Malloy, and the informant of her death is an Edward Conroy of Oldgate Street in Morpeth, listed as her grandson.

Going by process of elimination on the Edward’s; ( )

• Joseph Conroy - son Edward born 1867
• James Conroy - son Edward born 1869
• Edward Conroy - son Edward born 1874

Are all too young to have registered the death. (And Peter Conroy did not have a son called Edward). That leaves John’s son Edward, born 1861 who would’ve been 18.

(…Unless of course, there is an extra son to James Conroy and Mary Malloy who had an Edward)

Edward Conroy b. 1861 has a military record, enlisting in 1880 (service number 2664) which lists his intended residence as “Halgate Street, Morpeth”. Which I think refers to Hillgate. 

https://imgur.com/a/dvDWaqr (Mary’s death record)

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I found the marriage at the archives.  It was a good while back now but I think I saw it both at Tyne and Wear Archives and Woodhorn.  I noted down the info and later I added this as a postem on freebmd - see:

Peter Conroy & Ann Mackbride
Sept quarter 1874 Vol 10b 298

They married at St Mary the Virgin, Horton.  I agree it does throw a spanner in the works that his Father was recorded as John and as a distiller.

I do wonder too if James and Mary had another son.  Or did Margaret have an illegitimate son even?  Or did Ann ditch being a Drummond and revert back to Conroy and have an illegitimate child named Edward?  I haven't come across any more Drummond named children for her after her daughter Mary.  I tend to believe it is this Ann's daughter Mary, who shows up on the 1871 census with Peter and Ann and who is recorded as niece.

Hopefully, one day something might turn up to make it all a bit clearer.

Thanks for posting the death cert for Mary.  It is very kind of you to share this info.

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Thank you for the marriage! No wonder I couldn’t find it, I spelt it as MacBride 

I do wonder about the possibility of other children, maybe older.

Something intriguing that popped up when I purchased Margaret’s GRO record. James Conroy’s mentioned at living at Gateshead.

Her birth is at Benridge, north of Mitford, like the 1921 census of Margaret Hannah/y so I’m now certain that is her. Her birthdate is 30th Oct instead of 2 Nov here, though.

I believe that Mary Drummond living with Peter is Ann’s daughter too. Still not sure how they link together. And that same census has mention of a Barney Trainor born Spennymoor, “cousin”. 

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Wow! Mulberry Rose, that is very interesting about James recorded at Gateshead.  They did get about didn't they?   Did it mention her Mother Mary at a different place?  How strange that baptism was in Northumberland but Father is at Gateshead.

I presume this is a birth record you are talking about for Margaret.  I could be that 2 Nov may have been baptism date.

Yes, that is very puzzling about this Barney Trainor being named as a cousin.  I haven't a clue how he might tie in yet, either.

I greatly appreciate your help and if there is anything I can check out for you at the Local Studies in North Shields - do not hesistate to ask!  By the way I have seen your 'Leightley' thread.  I think it might be worth mentioning that I have added some Leightleys to St Alban, Earsdon on Find A Grave.  It might be worth having a look just in case these might tie in somewhere with the extended family of the people you are researching.

Merry Christmas and Thanks so much for all your imput.

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Yes the birth record I’m referring to is Margaret Conroy, should’ve clarified 

The birth was only registered three days later (3rd Nov) so definitely possible that Mary was at Mitford whilst James was at Gateshead. Perhaps he had work there.

Another sleuthing I did on Ann Conroy (I can’t help myself!) I remember that she was baptised in Chatton Anglican but this may be the RC baptism;

Anna Conory born 1 Feb 1834 bap 14 Mar 1834. Parents Jacobi Conory and Maria Maloy (transcribed as Matoy). Haggerston Castle RC, Ancroft. Sponsor Maria Brown.

Thank you very much for the kind offer! I remember you mentioning an about Ellen Rooney receiving relief at Tynemouth Workhouse abt 1910-1915–when you have the time would it be possible for you to check these? And if there are mentions of other Rooneys too, or a Grace Tweddle. Unfortunately I’ve never had the chance to go to the local studies.

I‘ll make sure to check out the Leightleys, high chance they are connected to my branch. Not many of them.

Merry Christmas to you too 

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Very excited!!! Just found this! 

John Conarry bap 14 Aug 1831 at Morpeth son of Jas and Mary Conarry

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Also got my hands on the GRO record for Jane Conroy of Alnwick Workhouse hoping that her husband might be named. She died 19 Apr 1909. Unfortunately the only information is “widow of — Conroy, a pedlar formerly of Morpeth”

There is this baptism in Morpeth; Mary Conroy bap 15 Jun 1862 dau of James and Jane

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Wow! You are amazing Mulberry Rose, with all you have found out!   Many thanks for all of this. 

So there was another son to James and Mary - a John!  He must be close in age to my James who was born around 1830 usually recorded as having been in Ireland.  Obviously, this John won't be Peter's Father as Peter also seems to have been born in the 1830s.  Re Peter I suppose there might be a possibility that whoever got his Father's first name mixed up and it should have been James and not John.  This could be a possibility if Mary Drummond really is Peter's niece as recorded in the census.



There often seems to have been confusion over names back in the day.  A while back I added a James Gilroy (Nov 1851) to All Saints Churchyard, Newcastle on Find a Grave.  His inquest article recorded him as a James or John and death was declared 'an act of God'.  His age is a bit younger but possibly this person may have been our mutual James Conroy.

But I think Mary and Joseph were in Northumberland in the 1820s as there are Alnwick baptisms for a Catherine and Joseph.
I don't know what became of Catherine but Joseph appears to have been buried at Hartburn early on.  Our mutual ancestors certainly got around!

That is amazing too that you have found another baptism for Ann.  I ave come across this type of thing before where RC parents will have baptisms carried out at both Anglican and RC churches.

It was so kind of you to check things out further re Jane. 

Yes, I will look out for your Ellen Rooney for you in the relief lists.  I will get you dates and sums paid.  There is literally nothing else mentioned in the lists apart from this asides from that she was recorded at 'Morpeth'.  I will also look for Grace Tweddle - do you think she might be in the relief lists too?
This week is going to be hectic and I will be away for Christmas so I may not be able to get back till the North Shields local studies until the New Year but I hope to check things then.  Also, check Preston Cemetery too for Leightleys - I know I have added some on FaG too.

I hope you have a wonderful Christmas.

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I couldn’t believe it when I saw it! I believe this is the same John Conroy that was with Mary Robson, he became a chimney sweep. They lived Morpeth 1861, then Alnwick 1871. His place of birth was Gateshead according to 1851/61 census.

I’ll have to check about that James Gilroy’s death. It does make me think that James might’ve used the name John too. Presumably they were in Northumberland by 1826 as Catherine was baptised there. I wonder why they came to Northumberland. 

Yes, Grace Tweddle (1866-1957) may have received relief, at least in my g-gmothers early years to provide for her. Patrick Green’s wages went to Ellen Rooney for his stepchildren Ellen & James Docherty-he didn’t include his daughter as a dependent. Grace’s husband George died so her sons Andrew (1897) & George Jr. (1901) provided income. They lived at Bedlington Bank Top; addresses I have are Wood Row, Craggs Buildings and Bridge End The Furnace (if specifics are needed). I really appreciate you checking this, it’s very kind 

Regarding Leightley’s, I don’t think any of them are mine but I did come across some info for others whilst researching, so I’ll make sure to add that.

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Hi Mulberry Rose,
This is just a quick catch up to let you know that I was able to pop in briefly to the Local Studies at one point this week and had a quick look at the relief lists.  I think it does look like Grace did get relief as I have noted down a ‘Grace Tweddell’ found in the lists.  I will double check next time that I have noted the correct surname as I see you have the name as Tweddle.
There are a lot of volumes but I will be happy to work through them systematically starting in the new year to check out the dates wherein Ellen and Grace are mentioned.

Under these ‘Non-Resident Relief’ lists is the paragraph:
‘In accordance with the requirements of Art. III (2) of the Relief Regulation Order, 1911, the Clerk submitted the following Statement as to the relief granted since the last Meeting of the Guardians to persons who though not resident within the Union, were removable thereto, viz:-‘
Just from two random Board meetings, I found that on 9 May 1912 Grace was granted 3s for 14 weeks
and Ellen was granted 5 s for 14 weeks. Then on 14 Aug 1912 Grace was again granted 3s for 14 weeks and Ellen was again granted more at a sum of 5s for 14 weeks.
I wonder what that means exactly? That they were 'removable thereto'?  Both were listed as under Morpeth.  So I am curious as to why Morpeth Workhouse didn't assume responsibility.

Also regarding Barney Trainor - recorded as cousin, I have recalled seeing another mention of a Trainor/Trainer in the past which I have found puzzling.  A good while back I came across an Annie Trainer mentioned in the Morpeth Herald 2 January 1914.   Robert Conroy was recorded as her nephew.  I remember trying to check things out a while back and although I do not recall my working out from that time, I came to the conclusion at that time that this Annie had been a McBride/MacBride.
This is another puzzling thing how these people seem to link themselves with the Conroys too.  I think there is a census too where this Annie has a Margaret Conroy in her household.  I think I recall her husband as a John Trainer.