Project Info: Earthenware Dealers and hawkers of pots

[River Tyne Lass]

Hi Mulberry Rose,
I have just finished work not long since so just catching up now.
Yes, I wonder too if the mentioned Thomas could be another son of James and Mary and a brother to your Joseph and my James.
Perhaps later this week I could add this Conroy/Winsley line to my tree and see if any matches turn up from their descendants.
Re the mentioned 'Pat' in the article, - from other articles I have come across I think there was an undercurrent of prejudice against these ancestors.  So I can imagine it may  not have been past people to lump them altogether as Irish navvies.  Although Adam was from Earsdon perhaps he may have been the assumed brother. Adam and Ann seemed close by.  And their daughter was baptised in the same RC Church St Francis Xavier  as James and Elizabeth's children James and John.  Or the 'Pat' may have been a real unknown brother.  We may never know.

Re: the Find a Grave memorial I have up which is connected to your line, if you are on there and wish me to transfer this to you just let me know and I will.  I am happy either way.

[mulberry-rose]

Another late response, apologies

With the Winsley lot I wasn’t able to trace back John or Peter Conroy, as not 100% on the match of John C Winsley. Although Peter seems to have died by the 1911 census as his mother Mary has “3 children 1 deceased”. I think Mary Jane married someone with the surname Denny.

I wonder if it could be possible that the “Pat” in the article is Peter Conroy (married Ann Miller)? I’ve quite a few ancestors where Peter/Patrick are interchangeable.

Also I’ve been digging into trying to find Margaret Conroy again. Interestingly I noticed these two were the neighbours of James Conroy at Gilligate in 1861.

Joseph Watson, head, 22, born Scotland, tinsmith
Margaret Watson, wife, 23, born Morpeth Northumberland

These two have a daughter, Mary, baptised Apr 1867 at Corsenside, father a “tramp”. Sadly she died aged 3wks. An article about her death iniquity mentions a witness Charles McBride (the brother of the Daniel McBride that married Ann Miller.). Unfortunately no birth record for Mary to find MMN.

There’s also a marriage which I can’t confirm to be connected to them but worth a look;
Joseph Watson & Margaret Conway Jun 1858, Newcastle on Tyne, 10b 173. They have a daughter Mary on 30 Sep 1861, baptised at Newcastle, fathers occupation shoemaker/journeyman.

I wonder if Joseph Watson is connected to the William Watson that married Mary Conroy in 1864, Hexham. That William Watson (b. Brampton 1844?), although the marriage record has his father as John, appears to be the son of James, a tinsmith born in Scotland.

[River Tyne Lass]

Wow, that is some very interesting stuff you have found!  You are good at noticing things - I hadn't spotted that Margaret before.  She may be Margaret Conroy under an incorrect spelling.  The page number is low for their marriage so I suspect they married at a Church. 

https://one-name.org/marriage-locator/
Marriage Locator can't suggest a specific place only that it appears between St Peter and the RO.  I will make a note of this and when I am next able to get to the archives, whenever that might be, I think I will check out St Peter for them.

By the way, this is a long shot but as you are good at spotting things, if you ever come across any likely death (or remarriage even) for my 2 x Great Grandmother Elizabeth Conroy nee Fitzpatrick - I would appreciate it you would kindly let me know? 
I believe I found the last sighting of her in the Tynemouth Workhouse Admissions/Discharges:

Elizabeth was admitted to Tynemouth Workhouse/Hospital on 10 July 1900. Widow of James. RC religion. Age 76. Nearest relative Son Thomas Conroy of New York Village.  She was then discharged on 17 July 1900.
After this she seemingly disappears!

[mulberry-rose]

I’ll keep my eye out for Elizabeth! She really does seem to have disappeared… 

I may have had a breakthrough with Margaret Conroy, or at least a theory for what happened in her later years.

Margarita Conroy & Robertum Hannah married 27 May 1895 at Bellingham. Margarita dau of Jacobi & Maria Conroy. Robertum son of Thomas & Joanna Hannah.
(In FreeBMD under Robert Hannay & Margaret Conroy, Jun Qtr 1895)

Robert Hannah / Hannay possibly dies Sep Qtr 1895 at Morpeth aged 55. Buried 27 Sep 1895 in Morpeth Parish, residence being the Workhouse.

(Possible baptism for Robert; 13 Apr 1843 at Morpeth son of Thos & Jane)

1891 Census (??)
Wooler, Chapel Lane
Robert Hannah, 50, lodger, born Morpeth
Margaret Hannah, 53, lodger, born Morpeth

1901 Census
Glanton, Alnwick
Peter Buchanan, 66, born Ireland
Jane Buchanan, 59, born Longhorsley
Margaret Hannah, 63, born Morpeth, boarder

1911 Census
Lumsdens Lane, Morpeth (some Conroy relations did live here in 1901, interestingly)
Ellen McCarthy, 62, widow, born Longhorsley
Margaret Hannah, 73, widow (married 30), vistor, hawker, born Morpeth

Margaret Hannah died Dec Qtr 1923, aged 83, 10b 430
Margarita Hanna buried 17 Nov 1923, Morpeth Northumberland. Birth yr 1840

The informant on Margaret’s death record (1923) is a Margaret Robinson of 1 Oak Lane Morpeth, listed as niece. Edward Conroy (1843) has a daughter named Margaret born 1872 who seems  marry a Henry Robinson at Morpeth in 1917.

[River Tyne Lass]

Thank you so much Mulberry Rose!  I think you have nailed it with your research and that it sounds like this surely must be the Margaret who was the sister of your Joseph and my James.  I tend to believe this theory of yours about what happened.  I do very appreciate all you have found.  You are so good at this stuff!
 
Re: Elizabeth it certainly does seem like she has disappeared.  I have wondered if she may have used an alias?  There is a Jane Conroy of roughly her age who died in a workhouse registered in the Alnwick area in 1909.  Could this be her with an alias.   I would certainly appreciate it if you would keep a look out for her.  You would think in her old age she might have wanted to stay near her adult children who had not emigrated.  I know daughter Mary and son Thomas are buried in Preston Cemetery, North Shields and her son Simon Peter (my Grt Grandfather) is buried at Ashburton RC Cemetery, in Gosforth.  Hopefully, she will turn up one of these days.

[River Tyne Lass]

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=801204.msg6591532#msg6591532
 
Actually, it's a bit confusing when I think back, when you see above thread (see post 7) it looks like Margaret (daughter of Edward) marries Ralph Stephenson.  I think I recall that she then married a John McCarthy after Ralph...
Mind, it can all be a bit  bamboozling with all the similar names. 

Just to add that when Edward's wife Mary (nee Martin) died I think I recall seeing a notice somewhere that death had occurred at her daughter Margaret McCarthy's house?

.. I think it is past my bedtime, penny has just dropped with me that Henry E Robinson married Margaret McCarthy in 1917.

[mulberry-rose]

(A late response  )

River Tyne Lass

Thank you! I’ve very glad to have gotten that breakthrough with Margaret. 1921 census has her at 2 Union Street, Morpeth. Place of birth as Benridge—probably one of the farms north of Mitford since 1851 census puts her born as “Milford”.

I am wondering the same about this Jane Conroy…she only appears in the 1901 census (at Alnwick workhouse) and before that there’s no sign of her. If I recall there were some Conroy’s that moved up to Alnwick / Berwick so although not directly there would be family there.

[mulberry-rose]

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=842043.msg7085186#msg7085186

By the way, at the mention of your finds on Conroy/Young have you seen this thread?  Again, bamboozling but I wonder if there might be any linking somewhere with our Conroys? 

To go back to this quickly, there is a link between our Conroy’s and the Conroy/Stewart’s in Berwick which I found. But can’t think off of the top of my head right now about how. I think it was through a child of John Conroy b. abt 1830 (married a Mary)

I wish I could remember! This is very frustrating…

Aha!

Joannes Stewart & Mariamus Conroy marry 1 Feb 1901 at Alnwick. Parents Jacobi Stewart and Joannes Conroy.

Mary is the second youngest daughter of John Conroy b. 1820-30.

John Conroy son Edward (born 1861) also married a Helen/Ellen Stewart on 22 Feb 1901. Parents Jacobi Stewart & Joannes Conroy. So perhaps some sort of joined marriage?

[River Tyne Lass]

Thanks for this Mulberry Rose .. all these Conroys and their connections can be bamboozling at times.  I will have to go over it all.  I remember seeing in the marriage entry for Peter Conroy who married (Ann Mackbride) nee Miller that his Father was recorded as John - Distiller.  I wonder if Peter is connected to those people?

Thank you  so much again for all you find out, I really appreciate all you have discovered. 

I have an update too - a very kind man I know has looked up and sent Jane Conroy's burial entry:

Alnwick Cemetery
Entry 1849
Jane Conroy
Widow
Age 79
Union Workhouse, Alnwick
Burial 22 April 1909

It is a shame the entry doesn't record whose widow she was.  It is a shame the workhouse records don't exist as there may have been a next of kin recorded in the admittance.

Also the burial entry for our mutual bloodline ancestor Mary Conroy (nee Malloy):

St Mary the Virgin, Morpeth
Entry 503
Mary Conroy
Morpeth
Feb 23 1879
Age 78

Her death is  recorded in  St Robert, RC Church death entry too - date of death 21 Feb 1879.