Project Info: Earthenware Dealers and hawkers of pots

[Talacharn]

Some feel the Young clan evolved from the Boswells, they certainly swapped names, so they might be found under Boswell or Boss.

[River Tyne Lass]

That is a very good find. Perhaps that may be Margaret who goes missing. 
I had a birth date for James and Mary Conroy nee Malloy's daughter Margaret 2 Nov 1837 in a baptism record but there was no baptism date.  Also I recall it was confusing whether the record was from Colwell & Swinburne or St Francis Xavier, Cheeseburn Grange. I found this entry in my early days of researching at Northumberland archives.

I can't spot a marriage for a Margaret Conroy and a John Young on Freebmd but perhaps they married in Scotland.

I remember there were some articles about a Margaret Conroy (petty criminal it would seem) around the Pandon Bank area of Newcastle. 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/249868175/james-gilroy
It could be interesting to note that there was a James Gilroy of Pandon Bank buried in All Saints Churchyard, 2 Dec 1851 Newcastle.  Apparently from an inquest report he dropped down dead and cause was found as an 'Act of God'.  I have floated the idea that this might be really James Conroy who had been husband of Mary?
An Ann Drummond married at All Saints Church, Newcastle in the Dec quarter 1864.
When I get back to the archives eventually I would like to look this up just in case this might be Ann nee Conroy marrying again rapidly after a marriage to Adam.
All just conjecture at the moment.

Re Peter Conroy down as from Ireland, my James Conroy born circa 1830 is also down as having been born in Ireland in most census.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/668c2a33865574184d12c140?locale=en
I think there was a previous Joseph Conroy to your Joseph.  There is an Alnwick baptism for him which gives birth date of 12 July 1836.  Son of James & Mary Conroy 'of Monaghan'.  My own DNA test links me to Monaghan.
I believe there is a likely burial record for him at the Church at Hartburn which describes him as a child of a poor Irish Traveller.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=842043.msg7085186#msg7085186

By the way, at the mention of your finds on Conroy/Young have you seen this thread?  Again, bamboozling but I wonder if there might be any linking somewhere with our Conroys? 

Thanks for that info, Talacharn.   

[River Tyne Lass]

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/272341244/andrew-drummond

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/272341324/mary_drummond

Just an update, - I believe I have found the burial entries for Andrew and Mary Drummond mentioned by mulberry-rose.  They were both buried at Preston Cemetery, North Shields.
Thanks so much for all your info on this thread mulberry -rose, I really do appreciate it.

[mulberry-rose]

Sorry for seemingly disappearing for a little bit, went on holiday for a few weeks!

I managed to get a hold of John & Margaret’s marriage, it seems John mostly went under the alias Murphy for censuses but Young for his marriage.

18 Sep 1871 at Peebles
John Young, shoemaker, single, aged 29. Parents John Young (labourer) and Margaret Wilson

Margaret Conroy, single, hawker, aged 33. Parents James Conroy (labourer, deceased) and Mary Lyall. Both abodes Eastgate Peebles.

Witnesses Thomas H & John Gilchrist

Frustrating that the maiden name doesn’t match so can’t be 100% it’s her but it is close. Mary’s maiden name was Malloy wasn’t it?

Also found the 1871 census for them; (Green Pit House, High Tarrenton, Bellingham)

Thomas Barret, 52, head
Dorothy Barret, 55, wife
Dorothy Barret, 10, dau
John Young, 29, lodger. Born Scotland. Shoemaker out of employment.
Margaret Young, 33, lodger. Born Morpeth, shoemakers wife.


I’m glad you found where Andrew & Mary Drummond are buried, at least that’s them accounted for 

I found these on ancestry;

Ann Drummond
Trial Date: 6 Jan 1864
Larceny from person

Ann Conroy (Hexham)
Trial Date: 29 Jun 1853
3 months imprisonment - larceny

Adam Drummond (Hexham)
Trial Date: 29 Jun 1853
3 months imprisonment - larceny

[mulberry-rose]

That’s quite the interesting death for James Gilroy! If the marriage to John Young is Margaret then it would at least mean James died before 1871.

I also saw that 1864 marriage, I don’t think there was any parish record available on ancestry/findmypast to see who her father was.

Speaking of Joseph Conroy’s (the second one), I was never able to find out where he was buried, neither Mary Ann Allen. Since he died in Scotland Gate I thought maybe it was Choppington parish. I always thought since Mary died in Morpeth that she was buried at St Mary. I know some of their children; Mark & Mary were buried in Netherton Lane Cemetery in Bedlington. Same with a few of Peter Conroy’s children.

[River Tyne Lass]

Thank you for all you have found out, Mulberry Rose.

Yes, it is frustrating that Margaret's Mother's maiden name doesn't match as Malloy.  So we can't be sure 100% sure, as you say that this is her.
However, my own paternal Grandmother first appeared in a census under her step-Father's surname (her Father died when she was two) and when she had children, her eldest my Aunt shows with the mmn of that of step father.  However, my Father and other children had mmn which corresponds with name of her birth Father.
Admittedly, I don't know much about the early life of our mutual ancestor Mary Malloy, who may or may not have also been Lyall, for all we know.

Hopefully, more will transpire as time goes on and we might discover more.
That is a shame that no one seems to know where Joseph's resting place is.  As you say, Mary may be at St Mary, Morpeth.  Hopefully, one day their burial places will be confirmed.

I am appreciative of your help and thoughts - how good it is to have imput from a mutual descendant of James and Mary Conroy nee Malloy.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/272787932/isabella-conroy-winsley

Incidentally, I have recently come across an interesting child burial at Preston cemetery North Shields for a child called Isabella Conroy Winsley burial date 19 Oct 1900.
I have looked for a mmn but there doesn't appear to be a match on GRO.
I do wonder if she may be connected somehow to one of our ancestors and wonder if you may have come across this child before?
I know that in 1901 my Great Grandfather Simon Peter Conroy was living in North Shields with an Elizabeth as his wife (my ancestor Bridget who was his first wife died in childbirth in 1892) but I have never been able to find a marriage for them.  He did later go on to marry an Elizabeth at St Charles RC Church in Gosforth but these two Elizabeth's appear to have been different people.

[mulberry-rose]

I do hope one day we can find where Mary originated from, it would certainly help to connect all the other elusive Conroy’s, Peter, etc. 

Also, I possibly stumbled across another Conroy brother through newspaper articles; Patrick Conroy. Whether accurate I can’t tell— haven’t been able to trace him yet. I wish they had named his wife.

https://imgur.com/a/JugHnzz

It appears Isabella is the daughter of John Conroy Winsley & Mary Emma Kemp. She died 19 Oct 1900 at 106 Howard Street, Tynemouth. In the 1901 census John C appears in North Shields with wife Mary E Winsley. John Conroy Winsley is born in 1872 at Hexham according to the census. Mary E is born in 1877 at Kenton.

In the 1911 census they’re living at 26 Brock Street, Byker
John Conroy (transcribed Convoy) aged 41, born Hexham
Mary Emma Convoy, aged 34, born Kenton. 2 children, 1 alive. Married ten years.
John George Conroy, aged 7, born Consett Durham

Separately, I remember noting down a couple; James Conroy & Mary Winsley who had three children; Mary Jane (1866), Peter (1868), and John (1872). They married in 1864 at Hexham, with James Conroy having the alias Gilroy and being the son of Thomas Conroy/Gilroy. I do not know if John C Winsley is their John, as he appears in the 1911 census with his mother Mary, unmarried and no children.

(A very helpful FreeReg postem)
St Mary's Chapel Hexham (Roman Catholic) 26 December 1864 James Gilroy 23 Bachelor, Labourer, Hexham, father Thomas Gilroy, Labourer married Mary Winsley, 20 Spinster [- for residence], father Bernard Winsley, Labourer, both made their mark

[River Tyne Lass]

Yes, I too have seen that article re 'Pat' in the past.  I did wonder if the reporter was just being a bit sarcastic calling this person 'Pat' perhaps as some might refer to any Irish man as 'Paddy'.
I have also wondered if this may have been James brother in law Adam Drummond (although likely not Irish) rather than a brother?  No evidence to support any of this though.  Yes, it is a shame they didn't name the wife which may have been helpful.

That is very interesting regarding all you  have discovered about the Conroy/Winsleys.  I can't help wonder if there is a connection to our lot.  I will make notes for future investigation at some point.  Many thanks for your posting on all this.

My Great Grandfather Simon Peter Conroy (son of James & Elizabeth Conroy nee Fitzpatrick and Grandson of James and Mary Conroy nee Malloy) had an older brother called Joseph (didn't they tend to use the same names over).  This Joseph was born 20 January 1849 and was baptised at St Robert Morpeth on 11 Feb 1849 and his 'sponsors' were recorded as Thomas Conroy and Elizabeth Conroy.
So I do wonder if James and Mary nee Malloy may have had another son called Thomas and he was the sponsor?  Perhaps he may be the 'Pat' mentioned in the article?  This is just conjecture though as I don't know what relationship or connection there may have been between this Thomas on the baptism entry to my ancestors James and Elizabeth Conroy nee Fitzpatrick. The latter had other children who were baptised in Hexham - Thomas, Catherine and Elizabeth.  Sadly these two girls died as infants. 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/271566353/john-rooney

Incidentally, I also recently added this John Rooney to Preston cemetery.  This person may be no connection to your Rooneys but I thought I would mention just in case.

[mulberry-rose]

River Tyne Lass

I wonder if the Thomas Conroy mentioned in your Joseph (1849)’s baptism as well as being the possible son of James/Mary Malloy is also the father of James who married Mary Winsley. The latter James was born about 1846—so near in age to what could be his hypothetical cousins. And the alias Gilroy to boot. I remember an article about an Elizabeth Conroy somewhere—will have to look for it again. Perhaps this is where the namesake Thomas comes from for some Conroys. Very sad about the infants Elizabeth & Catherine. I know my Joseph Conroy had three die as young children.

Censuses have Adam Drummond as born & baptised in Earsdon.

The article does seem to have that sarcastic tone, especially in “the disappearance of his better half” etc. And none of the Patrick Conroy’s seem to match up in age; 1820s-1830s.

Thank you for the findagrave memorial. I don’t think this John Rooney is connected to me unfortunately as my greatx3 grandfather John Rooney was the only Rooney of his family to come down to Northumberland (he was born Glasgow). His parents Bernard & Margaret died when he was young, and his siblings Ellen, Bridget and Edward remained in Scotland. I have traced his other grandchildren, thankfully they’re more easy to trace than the elusive Conroy. Interestingly John Rooney was the informant on Joseph Conroy’s death record in 1890.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/263823873/john-rooney

Intrestingly one of the Rooney memorials you have on findagrave is actually connected to mine; https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/234007589/mary_mulley_cassidy she is the daughter in law of John Rooney