Mile End Old Town, Eastern Middlesex - LIPMAN

[Lisa]

Hi there,
I'm looking for traces of my gggfather's family in England.
This info comes from a newspaper announcement in the Sydney Morning Herald in Australia because his son lived there.  What Im trying to do is find out about the family my g/g/grandfather Lewis Lipman left behind.  Please bear in mind that if you find out this info you will be making a lot of people happy because although the family in Australia is HUGE, noone has yet been able to crack this nut and there have been many who have tried.  I keep meeting more and more distant relatives through these ancestral websites like you wouldnt believe and I feel like Im the last runner holding the batton, so please.......  Its not like i havent tried, I started family research when I was 21 and im now 39!

The info I have is as follows (an extract from an email from a relative in Australia):

"Lewis did not put addresses on the copies of his letters,
in the letter book. The only address we have is on Joseph LIPMAN'S death notice in the Sydney Morning Herald "on 16/8/1860 Milend Rd, London Mr Joseph Lipman beloved father of Lewis Lipman. 85 years".  On his death
certificate the sub-district is MILE END OLD TOWN EASTERN in the County of MIDDLESEX. I think he died at 4 Moses Alms Houses.  Sorry, that is all we have. WE have nothing on Joseph Josephs and I don't really know who you mean by that name. Joseph Lipman's wife, Rachel, was
born Rachel Joseph, I think."

Further helpful info in your search is that Lewis Lipman emigrated to Australia in 1842 on the William Turner ship.  He was 19 at that time.  He was listed as Jewish, and on this same boat report it states his mother Rachel Lipman, nee Joseph was deceased, well, what it says is "father living" (if i could figure out how to post pics i would attach it now simply for interest sake).

I would assume that the Joseph Joseph I'm thinking of that they have no knowledge of is perhaps from Lewis mother (Rachel Joseph) family.

Any leads will be MUCHLY MUCHLY appreciated and as a return favour, I can look up scandinavian records for you and maybe australian ones too, although they are newer to the internet and i havent had much success but i have contacts, so please, i'm relying on the kindness of strangers to help solve this mystery and i'll luvs ya 4eva!

Lisa

[Sylviaann]

Hello Lisa

Sorry it has taken so long to reply.

I found this in the 1851 census index for Whitechapel
HO 107/1544 folio 459

Joseph Lipman aged 67
Frances Lipman aged 56

I know the age is not the same but ages can be wrong.

I also found this which I think may interest you
1851 Whitechapel HO 107/1545 folio 224

Lewis Lipman aged 46
Louisa aged 37
Mark aged 46
Phillip aged 82
Adelaide aged 13
Frances aged 11
Henry aged 8

This family could be related.

If you post again asking for an 1851 lookup and quoting the Ho and folio numbers someone else will look them up for you.

Sylviaann

[Rick]

Lisa

Would you like the full transcipts for these folk, or is this lookup now completed?

Rick

[Lisa]

finally i found out how to reply to you.  Yes please, I just saw this message and I think he's the Lipman I'm looking for. I was thrown off by his wife Francis. His second wife, not my ancestor. I wonder how easy it would be finding his first wife Rachel (nee) Joseph who died sometime from 1823 to when he married Francis. I think 1827 at the Great Synagogue in London. Do you know where I would find out where Rachel his first wife was buried and what date she died and the date of his second marriage.  Goodness me I hope she didnt die giving birth to my great great grandfather Lewis. If so, no wonder he left London at 19 and headed down under.

Regards,
Lisa

[Rick]

Hello Lisa

Here is the 51 entry for Joseph.

HO107/1514 Folio 459a
12 Dowson Place
St Mary Whitechapel

LIPMAN
Joseph, Head, Married, 67, Umbrella Maker, b Hanover, Germany
Frances, Wife, 56, b Amsterdam, Holland

It might be worth hiring any films that the LDS hold on The Great Synagogue for viewing at your nearest LDS Family History Centre to try and find a record of Rachel's burial.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp

As this now an active query, I am going to move it back to the Lookup Requests board.

Rick

[Greenonions]

Hi Lisa,
Found this family in the 1871 census.

1A Essex Street, Bethnal Green.

Joseph Lipman, head, mar, 44,  cellarman Foresters music hall, Middlesex Spitalfields
Julia Lipman, wife, 43, Spitalfields
Sarah Lipman, dau, unm, 18, tailoress, Spitalfields
Mary A Lipman, dau, 16, tailoress, Spitalfields
Barnett Lipman, son, 12, scholar, Spitalfields
Lewis Lipman, son, 11, scholar, Spitalfields
Moss Lipman, son, 10, scholar, Spitalfields
Esther Lipman, dau, 6, scholar, Spitalfields
Rebecca Lipman, dau, 6, scholar, Spitalfields
John Lipman, son, 4, scholar, Spitalfields
Jessie Lipman, dau, 2,  scholar, Spitalfields
Lewis Lipman, father-in-law, 73, bill discounter, Spitalfields

Good luck
Bob