LAKER., Ebenezer - death in Victoria

[regross]

HI,

NSW indexes have the free and unassisted passengers to Victoria pree 1850. Melbourne was part of NSW at that time.

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=43

Could this be your man:

LAKER Mr      Diana   P   3/11/1849   Port Albert   1276

regards

Robyn in Wodonga

[cando]

Mmmmm    Robyn I would have thought that this would be an arrival in Sydney from Port Albert, Vic...but part of NSW.  The other record shows an arrival from Melbourne.  Many records on the database have been sourced from the SMH.

LAKER Mr     
Ship Diana   Status P   
Date of arrival 3/11/1849   
FROM Port Albert      Reel 1276

A look is needed at Marion BUTTON's Argus index.

Cheers
Cando

[Daisy flower]

Hi Cando, sorry I wasn't being  rude!! I was only joking, and I do appreciate your help...  

have found this Ebnezer Laker's brother in the 1881 census with his wife and family, so he stayed  in England, there doesn't seen to be any other Lakers from that line....

I did wonder if Melbourne was part of NSW, seems that our problem might have been solved by Robyn in Wodonga , (thanks Robyn) only problem is why did this Laker go by the name Mr Laker , never make it easy do they???..I know the rest of family that when to Australia, paid their fare, that was why I thought it might be worth checking the Australian passage list... not sure where to go with this now......where's June when you need her ha ha......Lynda

[cando]

Hi Lynda....I didn't think any such thing  

Sometimes it can be awkward to right inaccurate info...and you did say you were in London

I think you need Ebenezer's death certificate which will show his time in Australia. 

I think the LAKERS would be listed on Marion BUTTON's Argus Index.  I found all my ancestors who emigrated before 1852 on her index.   I doubt the record on the NSW database which shows the journey from Port Albert [Victoria] is Ebenezer.

Cheers
Cando

[javajune]

Good morning everyone:

I have just received email notification of all your messages this morning.  I have lots to tell about these families but need to get my act together (still have to make the bed and wash the dishes, etc. - how boring!)    I'll be back!  June

[javajune]

Hello everyone:

I have printed out your messages and will be responding in date order:

Robyn:  Ebenezer Laker was not in the military.  Good thought though.

Billy:  I never thought of a Google Earth street search.  I wonder if the streets have changed much, especially the numbering.  I have just had a quick look on my Legacy programme and it seems that I do not have house addresses.  Will look again when I have more time.

Sparrett:  Thanks to the link that you posted, I have found some wills and probates.

Cando:  Your information was invaluable.  I have never heard of Marion BUTTON, but will Google for her indexes - for other people - as I find Ebenezer emmigrated in about 1853.

Daisy Flower (Lynda):  I do have Charlwood data which I would happily share with you.  We should put our heads together.  I do have the Harpley passenger list and knew that more Charlwoods followed on another ship.  I do not have the passenger list for the latter sailing - perhaps you can help there.  Would you like to PM me. 

Cando:   I bought the death record for Ebenezer LAKER and, for the money, I was quite disappointed.  Seems he was 5 years in Victoria, was a Printer and the informant was his uncle, Arthus CHARLWOOD.  He died of what looks for Phithius (I think I have misspelled that word, but I think I remember it as being/meaning TB) which he had for 3 years.  Interesting that you find three CHARLWOOD families.  I reckoned there were two, but that was just a guess.

Daisy Flower:  I have all the LAKER records and yes, Arthur Charlwood married my great grandaunt, Jane Laker

Regross (Robyn):  thanks for your input.  As I have now discovered my Ebenezer went over in about 1853 so the Mr. LAKER that arrived in Port Albert, 1849, would not be he.  I sure would like to know who he was though. 

Cando:  FROM Port Albert!  Perhaps Marion BUTTON's Argus index would include an initial.  I shall have to see.

Daisy Flower:  [where's June when you need her?]  I'm right here.

Many thanks to all of you for your input.  It's pretty lonely sometimes out here in the wilderness, working on this obsession all by myself.

June

[cando]

Hi again

Unfortunately Marion BUTTON's Argus index 1846-1865 is not online - the index is on fiche and is available at PROV and probably other places.   You now have information from  Ebenezer's death cert that he possibly emigrated c1853 there may be more hope of finding an online shipping record.  However it would be advisable to make a new request with the heading Shipping Lookup at PROV ...or somesuch and hopefully one of the 'chatters who visits PROV regularly may be able to help you.

1858 was only 3 years after civil registration commenced in Victoria and some of the information on the early certs can be a bit scanty...but should have included the following...if known by his uncle. 

Deaths [Info at top of board Australian Resources > Victorian Resources....
Date and place of death; name and surname; occupation of the deceased; sex and age; cause of death, duration of illness, medical attendant by whom certified and when he last saw deceased; name and surname of parents (if known) including mother's maiden surname; signature, description and address of the person who gave the information; signature of deputy registrar, date and where registered, when and where buried, undertaker whom certified; name and religion of Minister, or names of witnesses of burial; place of birth of the deceased and how long he or she resided in the Australian colonies or states (stating which), name of spouse, place of marriage, age at marriage; names and ages of children of the deceased.

From Port Albert....I think this may refer to the Port Albert which is a small coastal port on the southern Victorian coast.  I think the record on the NSW database is for coastal travel not emigration from England. Just my thoughts...but could well be incorrect...and I often am   Many records on that database include shipping records from Melbourne....which is the capital of Victoria but was part of the colony of NSW in the period covered  in the database.

Cheers
Cando

[regross]

 some possibilities if you allow for mistranscriptions:

Baker E. aged 21,   1853  on the James L Bogert (age is close. It might be worth seeing if someone can go into the PRO and check the oroginal handwritten ipassenger list on microfilmm to see if it is Baker or Laker.

Josiah Laker aged 23 in 1855 arrived on the Red Jacket but I guess you already have this.

There was also an Alfred Laker in 1852 aged26 on the Lady Eveline.

Unforaunately the PRO do not offer research assistance.

regards

Robyn

[cando]

Good possibility if it is a mistranscription...and here's hoping for once, that it is.


CHARLWOOD records on Unassisted Index
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search_results.asp


List of search agents listed by PROV
http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide015/PROVguide015.jsp

Cheers
Cando