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Offline hollyk

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Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« Reply #45 on: Friday 05 February 10 13:49 GMT (UK) »
Hello Stuart, my name is Holly and we are related. My gt gt grandfather was Oscar Owen (1837) brother of your Stuart William.
We are also definately related to Jacamar-on this site) as she is also descende from Stuart William. I still officially found any ancestors to George Owen, but I am pretty sure that his parents were George Scotcher and Mary Owen who were also the parents of Nicholas (1813) who is also mentioned by Amandafrances clark and sasflo on this site. I have also found the parents of a George Scotcher who were Nicholas Scotcher and Susanna Stuart. I've also come across a Susanna Stuart who father is listed as Jaques "The Old Pretender" Stuart!!! Nothing proved as I need to go to Leominster to find George Owen's baptism.
Do you have any Scotcher photos?
Holly

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Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« Reply #46 on: Monday 08 February 10 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi sasflo,

I'm researching the Clark family of Gwersyllt and Llay, mining engineers and local entrepreneurs. Edwin Stanley married Susan Muller Scotcher. I would dearly like a photograph of him for my society's next book.

Regards

Vic (President, Llai Local History Society) 

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Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« Reply #47 on: Sunday 05 December 10 02:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Richard,
I would like to share with you, how I first learned the origin of the SCOTCHER name.

During my childhood I attended 3 schools, 2 in England (infant & Secondary modern) and one in Scotland (infant & Junior).

It was while attending junior school in Scotland that a lady teacher introduced the class to how surnames were derived.

As you would no doubt realize Scots Clan names and Mac derivatives were heavily discussed, but she also read a story to the class from book she owned on how the English name SCOTCHER came to be.

Hope you find the following story of the SCOTCHER NAME interesting.
As a child it fascinated me............

THE TALE OF OUR ANCESTORS AND THE (ENGLISH) NAME SCOTCHER:
In the year 1667 Tim (9) his sister Kate (7) live with their frail grandmother just beyond the outskirts of the new London.

Sent by their parents to live with her in 1665 to escape the Bubonic Plague that was ravaging old London, she is now their sole relative.
 
The children are orphans as all other family members have perished either by the plague or in the subsequent 1666 great fire.

During the spring and summer season, Tim and Kate work as child labour on farms.

In the Autumn they collect mushrooms, chestnuts etc, and foraged for kindling that is used in winter to heat their grandmothers hovel; they sell any surplus.

Winter is the harshest time for the children as the only employ is placing rocks behind the wheels of coaches at steep inclines, for a few pennies tossed by the coach travellers.

The rocks stop the heavy horse drawn coaches from rolling backwards down the slippery cobblestone road.

This work is known as "scotching the wheels" and it is fraught with danger, because the rocks are unpredictable and prone to breaking.

With raw chapped fingers chilled to the bone, Kate collects the rocks and Tim fits them behind the coach wheels.

One day Tim places a rock into position and it disintegrates causing the coach to roll back onto him crushing his leg.

The coaches wealthy occupants toss a few silver coins (as is the custom) to compensate injured Tim.

Writhing in agony Tim is placed onto a handcart then Kate wearily dragged him slowly home, where his grandmother sets his leg.
     
Recovering from the accident Tim is left permanently crippled and unable to work effectively, but work he must in order to survive.

He hobbles behind the coaches jamming the head of his oak wood crutch against the wheels, and is dubbed "Tim the cripple" by fellow child workers.

The oak wood crutch head under the intense pressure does not last long before it splinters to pieces.

However, at the very lowest moment of his entire life Tim has a clever idea!

Using the last of the accident money he commissions a blacksmith to forge and fit several iron wedges onto long stout oak poles, and embarks on a unique career.

He hires these efficient "scotching poles " out to the other children who are eager to rent them in place of scotching rocks.

The scotching poles eliminate the need to hunt for rocks and enable the scotching of the coach wheels in safety.

The rent pennies soon mount up and Tim, Kate and their grandmother are able to live a comfortable modest lifestyle.

Tim and Kate also manage to pay for a little tutoring thus freeing themselves from the yoke of illiteracy.

When Tim and Kate reach adulthood they had become relatively wealthy educated members of the working class London hawkers.

Entrepreneur Tim (no longer called "Tim the cripple") is thereafter referred to by the nickname "Tim the scotcher" and this ultimately evolves to become his permanent name ......Tim SCOTCHER.....    THE END>

A SHORT HISTORY OF THIS PERIOD:
In two successive years of the 17th century London suffered two terrible disasters. 

The Great Bubonic Plague in 1665 known as the Black Death, and in 1666 the Great Fire of London.

In the spring and summer of 1665 an outbreak of Bubonic Plague spread from parish to parish until thousands had died and the huge pits dug to receive the bodies were full. 

It began in London in the poor, overcrowded parish of St. Giles-in-the-Field.
It started slowly at first but by May of 1665, 43 had died.
In June 6137 people died, in July 17036  and at its peak in August, 31159 people died. 
In all, 15% of the population perished during that terrible summer.

Incubation took a mere four to six days and when the plague appeared in a household, the house was sealed, thus condemning the whole family to death! 

These houses were distinguished by a painted red cross on the door and the words, 'Lord have mercy on us'. 

At night the corpses were brought out in answer to the cry,' Bring out your dead', put in a cart and taken away to the plague pits. 

One called the Great Pit was at Aldgate in London and another at Finsbury Fields.

The King, Charles II and his Court left London and fled to Oxford. 

Those people who could, sent their families away from London during these months, but the poor had no recourse but to stay.

The plague lasted in London until the late Autumn when the colder weather helped kill off the fleas.

In 1666 the Great Fire of London destroyed much of the centre of London but also killed off most of the black rats and fleas that carried the plague bacillus.

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Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« Reply #48 on: Sunday 05 June 11 11:49 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all this!

My ancestors are possibly related to Nicholas Scotcher as they were all in the same part of Wales at the same time - but can't prove the relationship as the census doesn't go back that far!

How far have you got? what other members of your family are there?
Nicholas was my great grand mother's (Susan Muller Scotcher's) father
Perhaps you can fill in the rest of my family ;o)

I have some information on his children and some on his wife's family and descendants and I know that his father was Stuart Scotcher and his wife was an Owen but I don't have any more information on his parents than that they had 3 children ...

Jane Stuart Scotcher 1810–1879 (died in Florence)
Thomas Henry Scotcher 1812–
Nicholas S W Scotcher 1813–1903

This is Nicholas's info ..

Birth: 1813 18 Oct
at Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales

1836 31 Oct Age: 23
Marriage to Eliza Crawford Muller
Press, Shropshire
Description: Married by Rev Edward Neville, Vicar of Press

1851 Age: 38
Residence
Wrexham Regis, Denbighshire, , Wales

1881 Age: 68
Occupation
Description: jeweller and silversmith in Wrexham Regis, Denbighshire, Wales

1891 Age: 78
Residence 
Kingston, Surrey, , England
Description: 18 North Rd

1903 Age: 90
Death
Surbiton


He had the following Children ....

Ann Jane Scotcher
Frederick L Scotcher born in Oswestry
Mary Anne/Marianne (my family's Aunt Bena)  Scotcher 1837–1935
Susan Muller Scotcher 1847–1914
Catherine S Scotcher 1854–
E Scotcher 1855–
G.O Scotcher 1857–



Nicholas is listed on the following census with children/spouse..

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I'm not sure if my information may be of interest to you. I live in Wrexham and was by chance photographing St Giles church last week. There is a headstone at the church which reads;
"To The Memory Of
Eliza Crawford Scotcher
obt Aug 8th 1845
Aged 4 years and 9 months

Also
of Nicholas Stuart Scotcher
obt Feb 24th 1846
Aged 9 months"


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Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« Reply #49 on: Sunday 12 June 11 13:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Tom

Re the Scotcher reference to scotching.. I have heard this before but the Scotcher name pre dates 1665! Of course, it may not be the 1665 plague the story relates to?

Chris,

Thank you very much for this information - very interesting indeed.

We have now established that my Scotchers are related to Amanda's and Sasflo's and therefore also yours. The father of both Nicholas Scotcher (1813) and George Owen Scotcher (1812) was George Scotcher (1762).

George Scotcher was the son of Nicholas Scotcher (1733) who was married to a Susanna Stuart (1733) which is presumably where the Stuart connection starts to come in. It appears Susanna was the daughter of Captain Thomas Stuart (1668-1750)

So, we have found Stuarts! Whether this is anything to do with the Scottish Royal family is not clear - though as the Stuarts/Stewarts were quite prolific, its not beyond the bounds of possibility.

However, this "myth" is proving to be quiet resilient  :)

You can view my tree with all the Scotchers on Ancestry - my tree is Parry1. please send me a message if you want more information.

Lynn

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Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 12 June 11 23:52 BST (UK) »
Stewart/Stuart was and still is, a very common name throughout Scotland. I used to know many "Travelling folk" by that name. Deadman and Townsley are also Travellers names. Here is a quote from wikipedia -

Indigenous Highland Travellers
 
In Scottish Gaelic they are known as the Ceŕrdannan ("the Craftsmen"). The English term 'travelling people' has been adopted into contemporary Gaelic as luchd siubhail (people of travel) but this is a wider term covering other groups of travellers too and it still has to gain full currency and comprehension amongst ordinary Gaelic speakers. Poetically known as the Summer Walkers, Highland Travellers are a distinct ethnic group and may be referred to as traivellers, traivellin fowk, in Scots, tinkers, originating from the Gaelic tinceard or (tinsmith) or "Black Tinkers". Mistakenly the settled Scottish population may call all travelling and Romani groups tinkers, which is usually regarded as pejorative, and contemptuously as tinks or tinkies.
 
Highland Travellers are closely tied to the native Highlands, and many traveller families carry clan names like Macfie, Stewart, MacDonald, Cameron, Williamson and Macmillan. They follow a nomadic or settled lifestyle; passing from village to village and are more strongly identified with the native Gaelic speaking population. Continuing their nomadic life, they would pitch their bow-tents on rough ground on the edge of the village and earn money there as tinsmiths, hawkers, horse dealers or pearl-fishermen. Many found seasonal employment on farms, e.g. at the berry picking or during harvest. Since the 1950s, however, the majority of Highland Travellers have settled down into organized campsites or regular houses.
 
Adam Smith, the economist and philosopher, was reportedly kidnapped by Highland Travellers at a young age before quickly being freed
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« Reply #51 on: Monday 13 June 11 07:55 BST (UK) »
the stewarts / stuarts  clans origins started in France
for the Scotcher origins please see the link below
http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Scotcher

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Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« Reply #52 on: Sunday 24 July 11 14:25 BST (UK) »
Aha!!

Thanks for this link! Helps a good deal!

Lynn