Help with a Scotcher "myth"

[amandafrancesclark]

Ahem...
I just found a post I made in 2002 asking the same scotcher/stuart question and one of our cousins suggested I/we investigate the Blantyres.
Here is the link to the forum for the full reply..
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Lord,Blantyre::stuart::2386.html

[PrueM]

Hi all you Scotcher ancestors

Will you be needing any more help from the rest of us non-Scotchers?  I only ask because a few of us have made suggestions further up the thread that I'm not sure you've followed up on yet...

The best suggestion I can give you all is to completely ignore the legend for now, that your surname is derived from/originates from the royal Stuart name, and just trace backwards.  This is the only way that you are going to find out for sure, either way.

If you need any more leads or ideas, just let us know.

Cheers
Prue

[amandafrancesclark]

Thanks Prue
Well I'm looking up everything and following every lead ;o)
I'm just a bit random about how I go about it.
I'll go back and have a look in case I missed something.
thank you everyone that has been helping us!

"Hi all you Scotcher ancestors

Will you be needing any more help from the rest of us non-Scotchers?  I only ask because a few of us have made suggestions further up the thread that I'm not sure you've followed up on yet...

The best suggestion I can give you all is to completely ignore the legend for now, that your surname is derived from/originates from the royal Stuart name, and just trace backwards.  This is the only way that you are going to find out for sure, either way.

If you need any more leads or ideas, just let us know.

Cheers
Prue"

[JAP]

Well said, PrueM!

I know we all love our family myths but so often that's exactly all they are i.e. myths 

I think it was Billy Anderson who made an excellent suggestion back in reply #3.  Look at the IGI!  I don't pretend to have found the earliest extracted record of the name SCOTCHER but I've now come across them back into the 1580s (in England) - there may well be earlier ones.

Such dates rather make a nonsense of the myth ...

JAP

[sasflo]

The Sir Simon from Hartley Mauditt was indeed the one mentioned by Auntie Bena so he must be some kind of connection.

Very strangely, though, another branch of my family (neither Scotcher nor Clark, but Turvill) came from Hartley Mauditt, which is not (and never was) exactly a metropolis.

[amandafrancesclark]

Well said, PrueM!

I know we all love our family myths but so often that's exactly all they are i.e. myths 

I think it was Billy Anderson who made an excellent suggestion back in reply #3.  Look at the IGI!  I don't pretend to have found the earliest extracted record of the name SCOTCHER but I've now come across them back into the 1580s (in England) - there may well be earlier ones.

Such dates rather make a nonsense of the myth ...

JAP

Hiya sorry newbie here,
Its no good telling us to do something as if we should all miraculously know these things.
What is IGI?
Or am I being particularly dense?
I hate acronyms - often they are so blindingly obvious I just can't see them
then I feel really silly.
thanks

[amandafrancesclark]

The Sir Simon from Hartley Mauditt was indeed the one mentioned by Auntie Bena so he must be some kind of connection.

Very strangely, though, another branch of my family (neither Scotcher nor Clark, but Turvill) came from Hartley Mauditt, which is not (and never was) exactly a metropolis.

Ah thanks - would that be the George Turvill Brown link?

[Jacamar]

Amanda

The IGI is the INTERNATIONAL GENEALOGICAL INDEX and it can be searched here

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

JAP is right, the name of Scotcher predates the Jacobite rebellion BUT the myth is valuable because it seems to have been passed down untouched through different families which may suggest the families ARE related.

I am actually visting my father at the moment and he emphasises that his recollection of the "myth" is that the family were related to the Stuarts and thus a target for persecution thus "hid their name". This ties in more with the above than any "Scotcher" concoction. He also does remember calling the wedges under carriage/cart wheels "scotches".

I have taken advice and tried to trace the family back, ignoring myths. I have got to an impasse because I couldn't prove  my lot were related to the Nicholas Scotcher line but I think we are starting to see this could be a possibility.

My interest lies in that the name itself is very prevalent in the East of England, yet my line ended up in Wales and then the Midlands.

Thanks to you all for all the help and advice!

Lynn

[amandafrancesclark]

Amanda

The IGI is the INTERNATIONAL GENEALOGICAL INDEX and it can be searched here

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

JAP is right, the name of Scotcher predates the Jacobite rebellion BUT the myth is valuable because it seems to have been passed down untouched through different families which may suggest the families ARE related.

I am actually visting my father at the moment and he emphasises that his recollection of the "myth" is that the family were related to the Stuarts and thus a target for persecution thus "hid their name". This ties in more with the above than any "Scotcher" concoction. He also does remember calling the wedges under carriage/cart wheels "scotches".

I have taken advice and tried to trace the family back, ignoring myths. I have got to an impasse because I couldn't prove  my lot were related to the Nicholas Scotcher line but I think we are starting to see this could be a possibility.

My interest lies in that the name itself is very prevalent in the East of England, yet my line ended up in Wales and then the Midlands.

Thanks to you all for all the help and advice!

Lynn

Thanks Lynn, I appreciate the clarification.
I am investigating the names  not the myth ;o), and sharing what I've found and that is hopefully what this board is for.  I would just like to know who's who and put the links together.  The myth is fun but I guess some of the people are sensitive on here.