Help with a Scotcher "myth"

[amandafrancesclark]

Hi Steve
I'm afraid that I don't know anymore than revealed here except that I have a transcribed copy of the above mentioned letter.
I am from the Clark and Scotcher line via
Edwin Stanley, his son Henry Denton was my Grandfather, and his son Edwin Colyn my father.
We actually lived next to Sandro Bullock Webster without realising we were related via Aunt Bena for years!

I am investigating further though and will share what I find.
So who sorry was your mother so I can add you to my findings ;o)
thanks

[Jacamar]

Thanks for all this!

My ancestors are possibly related to Nicholas Scotcher as they were all in the same part of Wales at the same time - but can't prove the relationship as the census doesn't go back that far!

[amandafrancesclark]

Thanks for all this!

My ancestors are possibly related to Nicholas Scotcher as they were all in the same part of Wales at the same time - but can't prove the relationship as the census doesn't go back that far!

How far have you got? what other members of your family are there?
Nicholas was my great grand mother's (Susan Muller Scotcher's) father
Perhaps you can fill in the rest of my family ;o)

I have some information on his children and some on his wife's family and descendants and I know that his father was Stuart Scotcher and his wife was an Owen but I don't have any more information on his parents than that they had 3 children ...

Jane Stuart Scotcher 1810–1879 (died in Florence)
Thomas Henry Scotcher 1812–
Nicholas S W Scotcher 1813–1903

This is Nicholas's info ..

Birth: 1813 18 Oct
at Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales

1836 31 Oct Age: 23
Marriage to Eliza Crawford Muller
Press, Shropshire
Description: Married by Rev Edward Neville, Vicar of Press

1851 Age: 38
Residence
Wrexham Regis, Denbighshire, , Wales

1881 Age: 68
Occupation
Description: jeweller and silversmith in Wrexham Regis, Denbighshire, Wales

1891 Age: 78
Residence 
Kingston, Surrey, , England
Description: 18 North Rd

1903 Age: 90
Death
Surbiton


He had the following Children ....

Ann Jane Scotcher
Frederick L Scotcher born in Oswestry
Mary Anne/Marianne (my family's Aunt Bena)  Scotcher 1837–1935
Susan Muller Scotcher 1847–1914
Catherine S Scotcher 1854–
E Scotcher 1855–
G.O Scotcher 1857–



Nicholas is listed on the following census with children/spouse..

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[Jacamar]

OK... I am away from my home computer at the moment - but I have traced my Scotchers back to George Owen Scotcher born 1812 in Leominster who married a Mary (?).Getting this off my ancestry tree..

He had children as follows:

Fanny 1835
Stuart W 1836
Oscar owen 1837 - 1879
Haydn 1838
Rossini 1841 - 1899
Novello 1842
Mozart 1845 - 1874
Jane 1849


Yes, the guy was very musical!!! Stuart was born in Oswestry also and I have looked at your line b4 - Frederick L was Frederick Ludvig (as in Beethoven?) so this is why I was thinking there was a connection. Although these two were born in Oswestry, by the 1841 census, Stuart was in Stoke on Trent, so I can't tell where exactly he was living in Oswestry.

As far as I can tell, there are no other Scotchers in Wales at that time!

I also do rather think that my Scotchers were related to the Scotcher piano family as I can put one of them in Birminghm very close to the street where the shop was.

However, how all this relates to the Stuart Royal family is anyones guess. The "Cher Scot" story seems a bit thin as when Bonnie Prince Charlie was in France - there were aready lots of Scotchers in the UK.

I'd love to be able to nail down whether my lot were related to Nicholas though!

[amandafrancesclark]

Sounds definitely plausible they are related with the musical side of it ;o)
I'm trying to get my heads around the dates of it and would need to sit down and have a look at what we've got here. ;o)
Perhaps George Owen Scotcher is a brother or cousin to Nicholas as they were born a year apart, though I don't know how far apart they were born.  Perhaps they share grandparents?

There seems to be a lot of first names in my family carried through the family - your's mentions the Owen - that is linked to Stuart scotcher - with George and then with Oscar and you have a Jane and I have a Jane, I wonder if the families might have got their children confused as well.

I'll get back to you if I come up with anything ;o)

[Jacamar]

Hehe

Glad to have you aboard re the Scotchers!

I have a lot on at work this week - but after that I may have time to go through this as well from my end.

Brother or cousin is what I have thought. I am compiling a google map to log all the whereabouts of the family and I will get back onto this after this week is out and send you the link.

So........ OK you have this link to Lord Darnley - but where does the Scotcher name come in??

[amandafrancesclark]

Hehe

Glad to have you aboard re the Scotchers!

I have a lot on at work this week - but after that I may have time to go through this as well from my end.

Brother or cousin is what I have thought. I am compiling a google map to log all the whereabouts of the family and I will get back onto this after this week is out and send you the link.

So........ OK you have this link to Lord Darnley - but where does the Scotcher name come in??

Thanks ;o) ooh Google map sounds like a good idea
Ah yes thats 25,000$ question!
I did hear it said that one of my cousins had a childs lace cap that was alledgedly worn by one of the King Charles' but I've never seen it or had it confirmed.

[Jacamar]

Curioser and Curioser!

So you have no family history of why the Stuarts became Scotchers then?

[amandafrancesclark]

Curioser and Curioser!

So you have no family history of why the Stuarts became Scotchers then?

well I've not found it yet but I'm just discovering my family as I never new most of my cousins until this year so am just learning things now.
My own immediate family is no more to ask.
I only have a copy of the same letter mentioned above that was written to Billy Bullock-webster