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London look up request
« on: Sunday 18 December 05 05:07 GMT (UK) »
I am endeavoring to find as much information I can on my GGG Grandfather Cornelius HYAMS, b unknown, m 1802 St. Dunstan's Church, Stepney, Spitalfields, London, spouse is Mary MOSS, b 20/2/1785 Shoreditch, St. Leonard's, London.
They had a child by the name of Cornelius HYAMS also, b 1805 Stepney, Spitalfields, London, m 1846 Richmond, NSW, Australia, d 1882 Lyndhurst, NSW, Australia, spouse was Eliza BARWICK b 1829 Richmond, NSW, Australia, d 1908 Lyndhurst. NSW, Australia.

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Re: London look up request
« Reply #1 on: Monday 03 March 08 11:35 GMT (UK) »
Hello Chairman

An old post...2005 which was the only time the Chairman has been online.

Transported he was (Cornelius the younger)............probably held in Millbank Prison until such times as he was transported

http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/oldbailey/html_units/1820s/t18231203-42.html

the associated records attached to the trial (see associated records) available from the National Archives
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/
will give you further info on Cornelius..........see ASSOCIATED RECORDS on the Old Bailey website (above) at the base of the Trial summary section

Cornelius had siblings..........all christened at the same Church as Cornelius with the same parents!Cornelius & Mary...who married on the 13th April 1802...and he is written as Cornelius Himes

Thomas born 18th Oct 1802........christened 10th Nov 1802
Mary       "      19th Oct 1806.......        "         9th Nov  1806
Benjamin "     24th Jul 1808........         "         14th Aug 1808
Elizabeth "     16th June 1810.....         "         29th July 1810
Esther     "      29th March 1812..         "          19th Apr 1812
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and here is brother Thomas in 1841

1841 census
GEORGE GARDENS, ST MATTHEW BETHNAL GREEN, MIDDLESEX
THOMAS HYAMS  38  SILK WEAVER   YES (BORN MIDDLESEX)
CATHERINE "       44                           YES
JOHN           "      18         "                 YES
THOMAS      "       16        "                  YES
MARY           "       14                           YES
BENJAMIN    "       10                           YES
HENRY         "        6?                           YES
GEORGE      "        3                             YES
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Mary Moss had siblings.........all christened  ST LEONARDS, SHOREDITCH, MIDDX with parents RICHARD & ELIZABETH
WILLIAM     born 26TH OCT  1786...christened 17TH NOV 1786
ELIZABETH  born 19TH NOV 1788....christened 22ND DEC 1788...died 14TH AUG 1789
SARAH           "     25TH JULY 1790...       "          16TH AUG 1790
NANCY           "     8TH JUNE 1792....       "         4TH JULY 1792
ELEANOR       "     1ST OCT  1794....        "         30TH OCT 1794
KEZIA            "     24TH SEP 1796....        "         19TH OCT 1796...died 11TH OCT 1798
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Bryant
Researching names BRYANT (Camberwell), PASTERFIELD (Essex and all), RAY (Holborn/Islington areas back to Brentford), POWELL (Glouc & beyond?)
Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area).


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Re: London look up request
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Bryant,
Thank you for that information.
However as I am very inexperienced at this family tree information, do you know where I cdan njow go to find the ancestors of Cornelius Himes

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Re: London look up request
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 08:43 GMT (UK) »
That was a surprise!
With one post to your name in Dec 2005 I thought I was wasting my time...just goes to show  :)

I will assume that getting to various record centres in London is a no no.........

You could start by joining the.........

http://www.eolfhs.org.uk/eolintro.htm                 just had a look, their are people researching the name HYAMS

Cornelius doesn't appear to show on the LDS (Later Day Saints) site prior to his marriage in 1802 so we have no idea how old he was or who his siblings (one imagines he had some?) are......
Mary his wife appears to have had children over 10 years from 1802-1812 so that brings you to believe one of several things, the most obvious is she died? and as Cornelius is not seen in 1841 one assumes he has gone the same way......

SO..............

Cornelius Himes (Hyams) when he married Mary Moss at St Dunstans in 1802 would have had witnesses, who are they?...........normally when married close to home they are siblings of the happy couple!
Was Mary Moss of full age or a minor? ......... the east of london family history soc will be able to answer those questions

A new post on rootschat is required for Cornelius Hyams NBI (National Burial Index) 1811-1841 somewhere around Stepney/Bethnal Green, Middlesex.....the same applies for Mary Hyams
Researching names BRYANT (Camberwell), PASTERFIELD (Essex and all), RAY (Holborn/Islington areas back to Brentford), POWELL (Glouc & beyond?)
Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area).


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Re: London look up request
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 08:52 GMT (UK) »
Bryant,
Again thanks but being in Australia plus extremely inexperienced at this I just don't know where to go or how can you assist please.
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Re: London look up request
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 08:58 GMT (UK) »
Is this site any help? (Docklands Ancestors)

http://www.parishregister.com/searchpage.asp

You have to pay, but it is £3.25 for the whole search. They have St Dunstans there, but 1770-1798 is "coming soon".  So you might have to keep checking back to see when it is there, as that seems to be the era you want.

I thought £3.25 for 8 baptism transcriptions was pretty good, and the payment bit seems secure.

I would be THRILLED to find all that transportation info, Bryant, how on earth did you make the connection?
BENNET(T); NRY- Brotton, CON
BURTON; NRY- Saltburn, Guisborough, Marske, Stokesley
Judge Newark Lincoln BURTON , USA
DALES; NRY- Brotton, LIN - Orby
DAVIES
GEORGE: GLA - Oystermouth & Penarth, CON
LINCOLN. Middlesbrough, NRY, Durham
PERRETT Gloucestershire
QUESTED London. Assisting with One-name Study.
TRASK; GLA - Cardiff, Barry etc, SOM - South Petherton
WESTED

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Re: London look up request
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 08:59 GMT (UK) »
You could look on that site for the 1802 marriage - hopefully there will be witnesses.
BENNET(T); NRY- Brotton, CON
BURTON; NRY- Saltburn, Guisborough, Marske, Stokesley
Judge Newark Lincoln BURTON , USA
DALES; NRY- Brotton, LIN - Orby
DAVIES
GEORGE: GLA - Oystermouth & Penarth, CON
LINCOLN. Middlesbrough, NRY, Durham
PERRETT Gloucestershire
QUESTED London. Assisting with One-name Study.
TRASK; GLA - Cardiff, Barry etc, SOM - South Petherton
WESTED

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Re: London look up request
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 09:01 GMT (UK) »
Cornelius and MAry Moss actually had 8 children between 1802 and 1818.
HIMES, HYAMS, MOSS, in London, England
HYNES, HINES, in Australia.
HODDER, KIRKWOOD,  in Somerset England and Australia
PORTER in Ireland,  MACREADY in Scotland
RANDALL in Wiltshire England
TINDALL, TYNDALL, TINDELL, in Yorkshire England and Australia

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Re: London look up request
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 09:02 GMT (UK) »
How and where did yuou find that out
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