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Searching names HAWKING/ROSCROW/WILSON/EDGECOMBE/ALLEN
« on: Thursday 09 September 04 09:32 BST (UK) »
I have been researching my family tree on behalf of my father, who's not computer literate.

I can get back as far as 1844 for most generations, yet am having some difficulty going back further.

The names I am researching are:

Roscrow (Devon & Cornwall origins)
Hawking (Devon & Cornwall origins)
Henry Edgecombe (Devon & Cornwall origins?)
Alice Mary Wilson (Devon & Cornwall origins??)

I've been using www.onegreatfamily.com to help me, yet seem to be very stuck.

From the 1881 and 1901 census I have the following:

ROSCROW
Parents:
Thirza (ALLEN?) b1843 Hayle Cornwall
David Roscrow b1843 Hayle Cornwall

Children (varified from parish records and family bible):
*David Roscrow b1872 Hayle, Cornwall
Edgar J Roscrow b1875 Devonport
Joseph Badge Roscrow b1888 Devonport
Joseph Garfield Roscrow b1884 devonport
Eldred Roscrow b1881 devonport

From the 1881 census I can locate David (snr), Thirza, David (jnr) and Edgar as being in Stoke Damerel (later known as Devonport). I have an address for the census. By 1901 I can only locate Thirza, David (snr), Eldred and Joseph Garfield as still being in the Devonport Area.


*David Married a woman called Clara b1872 - surname unclear.

They had a Daughter called Lillian Clara b1908 (other children?), St Erth . I have data after this to present.

Hawking
Herbert Hawking b1877 Married Alice Mary Wilson b1889. Herbert appears to have been born in Callington(Sp?). After this the Hawking roots move to Devonport (Stoke Dameral) where they had my Grandfather Albert Edward and his Brother Alfred John.

Herbert had a sister called Mary. She married Henry Edgcombe. Dates are unknown for these, yet it is believed that there may be a connection to either Canada and/or Austrailia from this line of the Family.

I can't seem to trace earlier than this for any of these families.



Help appreciated.
Simon Hawking

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Re: Searching names Hawking/Roscrow/Wilson/Edgecombe/Allen
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 09 September 04 09:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Simon,

just a general thought here, nothing specific:

have you tried the Online Parish Clerk (OPC) Sites for
Cornwall: 1) http://west-penwith.org.uk/opc.htm  and  2) http://www.cornish-ancestors.co.uk/
and Devon: http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/DEV/OPCproject.html

I haven't been researching in Cornwall, but I have been using the Dorset site a lot, and that one is fantastic.

Cornwall 1) says that parish records for Hayle are "coming soon" and most OPCs do look-up services aswell.

Hope this helps,
Good Luck
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Re: Searching names Hawking/Roscrow/Wilson/Edgecombe/Allen
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 09 September 04 14:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the links.

I now believe that Thirza was Thirza Badge.

Research on the 1891 census shows Eldred Roscrow being in a houshold in Penzance along with the family's Badge and Nicholas.  Whilst nearly all the namesakes were born in Cornwall, One was born in Middlesex.

I am looking for people with links to these names that have links to Cornwall between 1815 and 1891.

In particular the names Margary, Harold & Thirza Badge, and James H (Hodge?), Joseph, Margary & Fred Nicholas.  Fred appears to have been born ABT 1883 in Sheppards Bush, Middlesex.



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Re: Searching names Hawking/Roscrow/Wilson/Edgecombe/Allen
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 09 September 04 14:31 BST (UK) »
Any of yours ??

1871 Census, 10 Hood Street
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island .
 
Thirza Badge 27  St Earth, Cornwall, England Niece  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
Catherine Morley 54  Lewannick, Cornwall, England Wife  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
Charles Morley 52  St Earth, Cornwall, England Head  Stoke Damerel  Devon 

or: in "Back of 44 Garden Street
Household of William Roscrow 29 gives us:

Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island .
 
Ebenezer Hoser 25  Hayle, Cornwall, England Brother  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
Charles Read 5  Morice Town, Devon, England Son  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
Ellen H Read 8  Morice Town, Devon, England Daughter  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
George H Read 13  Morice Town, Devon, England Son  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
Phillippa Read 40  Hayle, Cornwall, England Head  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
George Reitler 11  Hayle, Cornwall, England Nephew  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
Matilda Reitler 38  Hayle, Cornwall, England Sister  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
Thomas Rogers 33  Hayle, Cornwall, England Boarder  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
William Roscrow 29  Hayle, Cornwall, England Head  Stoke Damerel  Devon 

But Household of William Roscrow 2 gives us:

45 Garden Street
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island .
 
Annie Roscrow 4  Morice Town, Devon, England Daughter  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
Emily Roscrow 6  Morice Town, Devon, England Daughter  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
Mary J Roscrow 33  St Earth, Cornwall, England Wife  Stoke Damerel  Devon   
William Roscrow 2  Morice Town, Devon, England Son  Stoke Damerel  Devon   

Looking at the image, it seems that the enumerator drew his dash for seperating houses one name after he should have ! He corrected it on th image.
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Re: Searching names Hawking/Roscrow/Wilson/Edgecombe/Allen
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 09 September 04 15:20 BST (UK) »
The top one seems consistant.

There is a strong link with ROSCROW to St Erth and Hayle - David Roscrow and Thirza (now strongly believe to be thanks to 1891 census) Badge were both from Hayle.

How did the connection between 10 hood st and 33 garden st take place?  Sorry, but I'm unable to think properly today *drinks more coffee*


Many Thanks,
Simon.

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Re: Searching names Hawking/Roscrow/Wilson/Edgecombe/Allen
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 09 September 04 15:48 BST (UK) »
I did two seperate searches:

1) Thirza Badge, giving us a niece in Hood Street
and
2)
Roscrow, giving us Garden Street.

So enjoy your coffee, and then, for the next  question:

If Thirza is a Niece, which of the Morleys was a blood relative ?
Catherine, who became a Morley, or Charles himself, who was born in St. Earth, same as Thirza ?

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Re: Searching names Hawking/Roscrow/Wilson/Edgecombe/Allen
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 09 September 04 16:04 BST (UK) »
Which could mean Margary Badge being born Margary Morley.

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Re: Searching names Hawking/Roscrow/Wilson/Edgecombe/Allen
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 09 September 04 16:48 BST (UK) »
Can anyone help with the Hawking name?

Census data hasn't proven much help for tracing Herbert Hawking backwards.  >:(

Herbert was born in 1877, and later went onto marry Alice Mary (wilson?).  They had 2 sons, one of whom was my Grandfather Albert Edward b1909.  There is some connection to Stoke Climsland, but we think this is from Herberts Father.


Thanks,
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Re: Searching names Hawking/Roscrow/Wilson/Edgecombe/Allen
« Reply #8 on: Friday 10 September 04 07:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Simon,

Could this be Herbert in 1901

Name Age in 1901 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island .
 
Herbert W Hawking 30  Stoke Climsland, Cornwall, England Head  Gillingham  Kent   
Mary B Hawking 27  Kingsand, Cornwall, England Wife  Gillingham  Kent   
 
"Herbert" is a match, "Stoke Climsland" sounds good, but Mary B. instead of Alice Mary ???

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