1841 census lookup - john sheen/whitechapel

[webster the BFC]

looking for a john sheen aged 20ish, probably Undertakers assistant living in whitechapel. Have found a samuel sheen undertaker (not his father but maybe an uncle) living at 13 church lane whitechapel and wondered if john was living with him. any help gratefully recieved

[Pam Mellor]

Have found Church Lane, Whitechapel , St Mary, 1841 as follows:

Samuel Sheen 50 Undertaker b. Middx
Samuel Sheen 15 App. Undertaker b. Middx
Eleanor Sheen 50 Not. b. Middx
Charles Jackson 20 Bookbinder J. b. Middx
Elizabeth Carter 60 F. S. Not b. Middx

Sorry, no sign of John 

Pam

[webster the BFC]

thanks, he must live near by but where??
thanks for looking

[Bryant]

webster

do you know his parents? any siblings?

their are 6 John Sheen's aged (using 15-22 because of the 1841 rule ie 15-20=15) in that area of Middlesex and three of those live in Whitechapel! and the other three are not far away..

Those at Whitechapel
FULLERS RENTS........JOHN 15 LIVING WITH PARENTS? OWEN/HONORAH (IRISH) + SISTER ANN
BAKERS ARMS ALLEY, ROSEMARY LANE.......JOHN 15 LIVING WITH PARENTS? THOMAS/MARY (IRISH)
WENTWORTH STREET.......JOHN 20 LIVING WITH BROTHER? GEORGE 20

Bryant

[fudgecake]

Bryant

that wentworth street one sounds promising..in 1851 he was age 30 living at 89 wentworth street with his wife and 2 children, unfortunatly i know nothing of his parents or siblings. Does it say what no wentworth street? and does 1841 give an occupation? thanks for your help

ps couldnt log in as webster any more for some reason so had to re join with new name 

[Bryant]

No occupation for John.........their is one for George but I can't read it! it would appear to begin with C and contain 6 letters, if I had to guess it would be a Carman (a form of salesman) but I wouldnt be confident that it is Carman.....................

The 1841 is very basic in what it provides.............it doesn't give relationships or birth place............other than in County = Y or yes.........
or Out of County = N or No............ie in or out of Middlesex = Y or N

Their are no Street numbers recorded on the census, which is not unusual for the 1841................

The 1841 has a rule on ages.........it generally rounds them down to the nearest 5 or 0............ie 20-25=20, 25-30=25 etc ........with the two ages being neat on 20 and 25 for George & John probably means that rule has been applied here?

Wentworth Street is full of Lodging Houses and in one of them is

WENTWORTH STREET SOUTH SIDE, ST MARY WHITECHAPEL, TOWER HAMLETS, MIDDLESEX
ANN SHEEN  20  NIGHTLY LODGER  IRELAND
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the house that George & John are in.........is only occupied by them and Mary Smith

WENTWORTH STREET SOUTH SIDE, ST MARY WHITECHAPEL, TOWER HAMLETS, MIDDLESEX
GEORGE SHEEN  25  C??  Y (BORN IN MIDDLESEX)
JOHN          "       20               Y                "
MARY SMITH        25 DRESSMAKER  Y
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Bryant

[fudgecake]

thanks bryant for your help

[Valleyoldboys]

I have the last will and Testament of John Sheen, undertaker of 88 Wentworth Street, Whitechapel. who died 4 September 1865. that i can send you.

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

Well done Bryant that 1841 was so hard to find at Anc....


In case anyone else is looking John is transcribed as John Shelar age 70 it's at HO107/717/5  f.8  p.8.

I think George is a Carman but just in case I'm including this link to an old occupations site,

http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/c.html

As you know Samuel isn't his father do you have John's marriage certificate showing his father's name?

Regards,
Daisy