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Re: Handling changing surnames?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 11 December 05 23:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Terry,

What one does probably depends on a few things including what program one is using, how many people are involved, how many variable spellings of a name one has found, and perhaps whether one standard spelling exists in the present day.

I have many names with variable spellings (for one I've found about 90 different spellings and still counting).

I make a practice of recording each person's primary name under the spelling of the earliest record I have - sometimes that will be a birth certificate, sometimes a baptism, sometimes a marriage, etc, etc.

But I also record as a name variation in my program, every variant spelling under which the person has appeared - and that ensures that they will appear in an alphabetical list of people in my program under every variant.

Then I also add what I call an index name.  For instance, for every person with the name which has the 90 or so variants (ranging through McLause, McLaws, Maclehose, Hose, Hozier, etc, etc - and with people chopping and changing throughout their lives), I also record them under the 'made up' name McLs.

That ensures that every person of this very variable name will appear in an alphabetical list of people under their primary name (which is starred in such a list) and under any variant names AND that they will also all be listed in order of forename under the 'made up' index name.

It certainly makes finding them much easier!

I follow the same system for other variant names e.g. Trippet, Trippit, Tripit, Trippett, Trippitt etc - as well as their primary name and any variants, I give them a 'made up' name of Trpt.

To each his or her own ...

JAP

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Re: Handling changing surnames?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 11 December 05 23:35 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought:

The Reunion Program used for Macs. gives children the surname of their fathers but a change can be implemented in any generation by altering the assigned form of the surname.  In my husband's relatively small family there are several variations used by descendants in various locations and the program keeps them all connected to their roots.

I understand that illiteracy was a factor in the past which created variety, but in the present one must honour the name forms currently used without denying common heritage.
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Re: Handling changing surnames?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 12 December 05 08:44 GMT (UK) »
JAP, Elizabeth,

Thanks both, appreciate those follow-ups.

My next step is to experiment with FTM 2006 to see how it copes with some of these alternative approaches. Unless I've missed it, I haven't found the issue covered in its Help documentation.

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Re: Handling changing surnames?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 12 December 05 09:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi again Terry,

The program I use is TMG (The Master Genealogist).  It is said that it's so flexible that about the only thing one can't change is its name!!  Elizabeth, sorry, there isn't a version for Macs (my major criticism of TMG!!).

It is a VERY powerful program - probably (certainly?) the most powerful and flexible genealogical program there is.

BUT, I have to tell you, it hasn't to date (as far as I know) come up with a solution to the problem you pose.  ::)

And don't think for even one minute that TMG Users haven't posed the problem and proposed solutions - and, oh boy, are the TMG Users a vocal, creative and persistent lot  :o

Just try the specialist Rootsweb TMG-L and be overwhelmed!

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Re: Handling changing surnames?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 12 December 05 09:22 GMT (UK) »
Terry - presuming FTM 2006 isn't too different from 2005, which I use, you can record one "preferred" name and one AKA (under "edit individual details") which will both show up in the index.  You can add alternative names in the "facts" or individual notes, but these won't show up in the index.

Like several others here, I generally use the birth/baptism name as the basic name, but add the standard modern spelling (if necessary) as the AKA to simplify finding people in our very large file.  However, whatever solution you choose, Murphy's law kicks in, and you're bound to find exceptions! 

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: Handling changing surnames?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 12 December 05 09:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rambler,

That's very interesting!

As I understand what you say, it seems that some programs put a limit on the number of variant names one can index.  TMG doesn't - you can have as many variant names as you choose and all will show up in the index.  And if, as I do, you also index the people under a fake (hopefully never real) surname, they will also all appear in forename alpha order under that fake name.

That's absolutely great when one is searching for a name regardless of spelling.

And avoids Murphy's Law (I think).

But there's one major problem - if one is searching for (say) Janet McLAWS b ca 1800  +/- 20 years and does so using the fake 'index' name McLs, each time one looks at a person and then reverts to the index, one lands on the primary name - aaaargh!

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Re: Handling changing surnames?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 12 December 05 10:11 GMT (UK) »
I don't know about other programs - just FTM.  I guess every program has its strengths and weaknesses - I've seen a couple which look interesting for different reasons, but stick to the one I started with (almost by accident!) out of inertia... ;)

Although an indefinite number of surname variants won't show up in the FTM index (at least, not in my version), there is a way of getting round this by creating an "alternate facts report" - slightly cumbersome, but has the advantage of not clogging up the index if you have a large database.  Ours has emigrant branches of my husband's Swiss family, and the name variations there have to be seen to be believed!

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: Handling changing surnames?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 12 December 05 11:00 GMT (UK) »
Dear Rambler,

Last thing I want to get into is an argy-bargy on my program's better than anyone else's program ...  ;D

But just as a point of info, TMG of course allows one to filter (i.e. not clog up) almost anything ... though how to do so might not be immediately obvious.

And no, before anyone asks, I wouldn't recommend TMG unreservedly - it is far from the easiest program in the world to come to terms with (just the best!!! - IMHO).

And I would add that virtually every genie program is good and that virtually all of them do most of the same things very effectively - it is simply a question of what suits the individual user.

Best regards,

JAP

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Re: Handling changing surnames?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 12 December 05 11:35 GMT (UK) »
The problem I still haven't resolved satisfactorily isn't a problem of software - more of sense.  What do I do about my grandfather, whose mother Helen registered him at birth as Jones?  She claimed that Jones was her married name (it wasn't!), so the birth cert says Jones, although he used a totally different surname all his life, and that's how living family members knew him...

And Helen's own mother went one better: her maiden name really was Jones, she registered all her 5 children as the product of a fictitious marriage to a man named Dowding, and simultaneously called herself Mrs James, a widow on census returns!   

 ??? ??? ???

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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