Cheshire Surname Research

[peterbennett]

Hi
    In this case the spelling difference is of no consequence as I searched all the variations including Thelwell.
    There will have been Army barracks in the district but their names would be indexed for the census as normal.
    I have searched all the Stockport districts as well but still no Thirlwall's.
    There does not seem to be a index for his birth on the Cheshire BMD, so I had a quick look on the https://www.1837online.com which is an index of country wide BMD and there is a reference to a Philip Thirlwall registered in Brampton 2nd qtr (apr may june) 1838 volume 25 page 30, there seems to be other families in the same district as there were several Thirlwall births within the 3 years that I searched.
   Can I suggest that as you know when he married you should obtain a marriage certificate, from that you will gather in his correct age, occupation,his fathers name and occupation as well as maybe a relative as a witness.
    I have a chart somewhere(cant find it at the moment maybe someone else reading this can help) that would show with the help of the birth ref. numbers which Brampton it was, there are several but none near Hyde.
    http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/civreg/places/b.htm

hope you find your family

peterbennett

[fizzybubble]

Hiya - thanks for doing that.

Brampton I suspect is the one in Northumberland as that is where the Thirlwall name and first families originated from - they were up there on Hadrians Wall and even had their own castle (Thirlwall Castle which is in ruins today near Haltwhistle).

I am gradually working round to finding out what started the great trek south because by the early 1800s some were even as far south as Yorkshire (well in terms of transport that would have been some distance from Northumberland in those days wouldnt it ?)

Fizzybubble

[fizzybubble]

PS Would a marriage certificate from 1863 have parents names on it ?

Fizzybubble

[casalguidi]

Marriage certificates from 1837 are the same as they are today - name, age, address, occupation, father's name and occupation.

Casalguidi

[Bstw]

Hi Peter

I wonder if you can help with my research on Boswell family of Northwich area.

Known data. My  G Grandmother Hannah Boswell was eldest daughter of a William Boswell who married a Mary Jones in Davenham Church 6 June 1853.

Cannot so far find any birth / baptism info on either parent.

In 1871 census records William stated as born Northwich and aged 38 so should be born c 1833/4 ?
Mary (Jones) recorded as born Weaverham aged 39 so born c 1832/3 ?.

On William & Marys marriage records (from Chester CRO) Williams father named as Joseph (mother not listed). Mary's father recorded as John Jones.

Would be interested in any info on any of these in 1851/1841 census records to try to determine any more information on Joseph Boswell & John Jones families (wifes names & other children).

Regards

Bernard

 

[peterbennett]

Hi Bernard
                 I have found the following from 1841/1851

1841 HO107-98-21-F 11  Sandiway Weaverham

John Jones  50  ag/lab    born in county
Hannah ~   50                  ~          ~
John      ~   20 tailor         ~          ~
Joseph  ~     9                  ~          ~

1851 HO107-2165-F 64 Sandiway Weaverham

John Jones  64  widow  ag/lab         born Beeston
Hannah ~   25  daug  dressmaker           Sandiway
Joseph  ~   19  son     errand boy                ~
Mary     ~    19 daug   housekeeper            ~

hopefully will info on William Boswell tomorrow

peterbennett

[peterbennett]

Hi
    This is what I have found on the Boswells

1841 HO107-120-12-F13 Cockpitt Fields Witton Cheshire

Joseph Boswell  25  ag/lab             born in county
Margaret    ~     25                           ~        ~
William       ~      8                            ~        ~
Joseph      ~      70                           ~        ~
Thomas Rey        8                           ~         ~

1851 HO107-2165-F 635 Shurlach Davenham Cheshire

Joseph Boswell  38 head       lab salt works born  Witton
Margaret  ~       36  wife                                       Great Budworth
Thomas Reey     18  son         painter                            ~
William Boswell  18 nephew   app shoe maker             ~

 It seems a bit confused (nephew) but thats what it says, he could be adopted by Joseph from a brother or more likely an unmarried sister that maybe died ?
 You may want to send an inquiry to Cheshire RO to find the birth, there is an email address on this page link
https://www.cheshire.gov.uk/recoff/eshop/copfront.htm

good luck

peterbennett
   

[Bstw]

Hi Peter

Thanks very much for the info on Boswell & Jones families in 1841 / 1851 census.

Whilst the information does look a little bit confusing, it certainly gives me a lot more to work on. I will wait till the  next time I am at CRO to look up the church records.

Does the ~ after William's name in your reply refer to birth in Witton or Gt Budworth (around 1842/3) ?

Then a possible marriage record for Joseph's to Margaret and Joseph's own birth in Witton records (around 1813-1816). Then the lead back to the older generation Joseph -possible grandfather !

Regarding John Jones's family, unsure if these two records imply John had both a wife and daughter named Hannah.
Daughters Hannah and Mary both missing from 1841 record !

Do you have access to any 1861 census records. Any information on the family unit at that time may possibly clarify some of this.

Regards

Bernard

[peterbennett]

Hi
    Unfortunately the 1841 census 's do not give the relationship to head, but I would assume Hannah applies to mother and daughter,there is a death registered in 1847 for a Hannah Jones at Weaverham on the
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
   The transcript seem to have distorted slightly it should show Williams birthplace as Budworth age 18 would make birthdate 1832/3 not 42/3.
   I will take a look in the same area in 1861, unfortunately there is no name index for this year so a county wide search is not possible time wise.

bye for now

peterbennett