Cheshire Surname Research

[peterbennett]

Hi Marie
            I have been searching for further census details for Ann
and found the 1891 census

Name:    Proctor, Ann
Age in 1891:    44 
Relation:    Head 
Gender:    Female 
Where Born:    Wilmslow, Cheshire
     
Civil parish:    Beswick 
Ecclesiastical parish:    Beswick and Bradford Christchurch 
County:    Lancashire 
     
Street address: 31 Hassop Street

Proctor, Ann 44 Wilmslow, Cheshire married Head  Beswick  Lancashire   
Proctor, Frederick 6 Manchester, Lancashire Son  Beswick  Lancashire 
Proctor, Harriet 8 Manchester, Lancashire Daughter  Beswick  Lancashire

Source information:    RG12/3260
Registration district:    Prestwich 
Sub registration district:    Newton 
ED, institution, or vessel:    45 
Folio:    22 
Page:    38

I then thought that if as you said Ann was living as a widow with her daughter Hannah Joyce in 1901 where were her children especially 16 year old Frederick. See next post for a surprise.

regards

peterbennett
     

[peterbennett]

Hi Marie
            Surprised to find this with Ann !! on it. It seems as if she wanted to be Mrs although not married, unfortunatly her daughter Hannah on her census form put widow as I suspected she has been since 1863.
             The only census I can't find her on is the 1881 was she "married" to someone else then

27 Milton Street Bradford north Manchester
RG13 3762 folio 77

George Proctor  married  head  48  pipe layer water works Hitcham Suffolk
Ann          ~            ~       wife   54                                       Wilmslow Cheshire
Harriett    ~       single    daug   19 cotton card room hand  Manchester Lancs

regards

peterbennett

[princessalex]

I am researching Mary Caldwell from Grappenhall who married George Artingstall 1-18-1730 in St Wilford.  Looking for date of birth..death.
Thank-you

[peterbennett]

I am researching Mary Caldwell from Grappenhall who married George Artingstall 1-18-1730 in St Wilford.  Looking for date of birth..death.
Thank-you

   Hi
        Welcome to Rootschat,
Can you tell us where you think he may have been born,died.?

North Cheshire FHS have a lookup service for monumental inscriptions which covers many areas including Grappenhall, this link should take you there.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CHS/NorthChesFHS/meminscr.htm

good luck

peterbennett

[Geoff of Devon]

Hi,
I am researching the family of William Hill from Warrington and am missing the Hills from the 1871 census. In 1881 they were living at 18 Nicholson St, Warrington when William was a railway engine driver.
William Hill was born ~1834 Lowton, Golborne, Lancashire. He married Elizabeth b ~1834 Poulton or Padgate, Lancashire. Thair children were Sarah Ellen b1861-1869 Joseph E Hill born ~ Dec 1865 Albert E born ~ 1867 Margaret Martha b~ MAR 1870, all born in Warrington.
Thanks,
Geoff.

[peterbennett]

Hi Geoff
           Warrington in 1871 was in Lancashire, it was moved into Cheshire during boundary changes in 1974.
           Found it for you anyway

Civil parish:    Warrington 
Ecclesiastical parish:    St Paul 
Town:    Warrington 
County/Island:    Lancashire 
Country:    England 
     
Street address: 43 Golborne Street

Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County
 
Albert E Hill 3  Warrington Son  Warrington  Lancashire   
Elizabeth Hill 38  Poulton, Lancashire, England Wife  Warrington  Lancashire   
Joseph E Hill 5  Warrington Son  Warrington  Lancashire   
Louisa Jane Hill 11  Wagan Daughter  Warrington  Lancashire   
Margaret M Hill 1  Warrington Daughter  Warrington  Lancashire   
Mary Ann Hill 14  Warrington Daughter  Warrington  Lancashire   
Sarah Ellen Hill 9  Warrington Daughter  Warrington  Lancashire   
William Hill 38  Lowton, Lancashire, England Head  Warrington  Lancashire 

     
Source information:    RG10/3904
Registration district:    Warrington 
Sub-registration district:    Warrington 
ED, institution, or vessel:    11 
Folio:    123 
Page:    31 
Household schedule number:    137

household on 2 pages

regards

peterbennett

[Geoff of Devon]

Thanks Peter, 
That's why I was so confused between Lancashire and Cheshire BMD sites! 
Now I have two new names to play with.
Most appreciated.
Geoff.

[jack33]

Hi Peter,
Got back from my short break a couple of hours ago, but couldn't wait to see if you'd managed to find anything more for me.
Now, maybe I'm just too tired to be taking this in properly, but are you saying that Ann Proctor was 'married' to this George that you found on the 1901 (?) census, and had a daughter, Harriet, aged 19 living with her?
If so, how could she be on the 1901 census, living at 32 Eldon Street Bradford Manchester with her married daughter, my ggrandmother, Hannah Joyce, and stated to be a widow, aged 54, born Wilmslow Cheshire.
Hannah and william Joyce are definitely my ggrandparents, so I presumed that Ann Proctor who was staying with them (relation to Head M in Law) had to be the right one.
Am I just confused, or am I missing something?  as I said, I'm very tired so I'll take another look tomorrow. 
In the meantime, let me thank you again for all the effort you are putting into this for me.
With much appreciation,
Marie

[peterbennett]

Hi Marie
            It would seem to me that Hannah's mother Ann had been unwed since the death of her first and only proper husband William Pallant in 1863, She then took up with Thomas Read and lived as a married couple calling herself Mrs Read, I have yet to find Thomas again after 1871. She then around 1880 took up with a George Proctor and again not married but calling herself Mrs Proctor and either having more children herself ( or they may have been George's from a previous marriage a birth certificate would show the truth )  did not like people to know she was not married, and it seems that her daughter let the cat out of the bag on the 1901 cenus when she put widow. She was probably visiting on the day of the census and got included.
         It is not uncomman to find a person listed at 2 address's on a census, I have several in my lot.
         It would seem that the only thing Ann did not fib about was where she was born, which connects this person Ann to Wilmslow right through the census years. I did check every Ann born Wilmslow and living in Lancashire on the 1891/1901 census, which convinces me that its the same person all the way through.
The tale will go on.

hope this makes sense
regards

peterbennett