Cheshire Surname Research

[MarinaB]

Thanks very much for that Peter. 

Henry married Mary Forster in May 1851...........maybe he had cold feet and was in hiding

Best wishes

Marina

[cynda]

I am interested in JAMES CROZIER vicar of Weston in Nantwich in 1881.  My grandmother was in service to him and his family and I am interested to know when he left Weston and where he went after that.

Cynda

[redshank]

In 1891 he was Rector of Coston in Leicestershire. He was a widower and living at the Rectory with Jane, Emily, Temple and Graham and two domestic servants Thirza Price and Virtile Clarke.

In 1901 he was still there, aged 80, living with Emily Augustine Harvey his daughter and two grandchildren Emily and Charles Harvey. There were also 4 servants - Alice Bailey, Eliza England, Mary Preston and Charles Waller.

[cynda]

Thanks for that information.  Will enable me to look into his movements a bit more easily. 

Cynda

[Ter1]

I am struggling to confirm the parentage of William Brockley born around 1813-1815 according to Census returns but 1812 according to details from his death certificate. He was born in Leighton nr Crewe and later married a Sarah latham in 1836. I have found information of a marriage between a William Brockley and  Elizabeth Barrow in the Bishop's records (Nantwich) ref MF 264/41  No 37 CRO  for 19/01/1814 and subsequently the birth of a son William  to William and Elizabeth Brockley on 21st March 1815 at Leighton green,(MF 35/2 Coppenhall No61) However I am now uncertain whether this is possible because of the date extrapolated from the Death certificate.? Is anyone able to help?

[peterbennett]

Hi
   
        Welcome to Rootschat 

    Is the birth you found 1815 a birth or a baptism ?
    Is it possible he was born before the marriage ie named Barrow until the marriage. Or to an Hodgkinson female.

    Ages detailed in Marriage/Death certificates and census are notoriously unreliable and not to be taken as "fact"

   The 1841 census will round down ages to the nearest "five"

    Does his marriage record in 1836 give any details of other persons, maybe witness etc.

    Have you tried a 1841/51 census search for the "parents"

regards

peterbennett

[Ter1]

Hi Peter, and many thanks for the prompt reply. William was born on the 21st march and christened on April 30th, 1815 in Leighton Green according to the Bishops records for Coppenhall.
The 1841 census records his age as 25 which suggests he was born even as late as 1816. The 1851 census records him as being 36 ,thus making 1815 the birthyear.
His son Peter, my Great grandfather, registered his death as 66 yrs, thus my problem.
His marriage was witnessed by a Charles Ashley and John Briscall and there apppears to be no lead there!
Perhaps I should try and access his parentage through his siblings?
I must also review the 1841 census details again to see if I can make the connection there as you suggest? Should I be looking for a 'Brockley' living as a head of household in the same area, aged about 50yrs, as a possible lead as I really do not have strong information on possible Christian names other than William, Samuel, Thomas, John and Joseph as regular family names as a guide? Many thanks again, Ter

[peterbennett]

Hi

      I noticed that you may have a possible father William who married a Elizabeth Barrow, I have followed this marriage through and found that Elizabeth seems to have died as William married again as a widower 20/12/1832 a widow Margaret Jones at Nantwich I am fairly certain this is the correct family. I have sorted the 41/51 census info

1841 HO107-117-8-Page 5  Leighton

William Brockley 45/50 farmer   All born in county
Margaret            35/40
Thomas              20/25
John                   15/20
Ann                       6
Joseph                  3

1851 HO107-2169-Folio735  Leighton

William Brockley head 59 farmer Haslington
Margaret            wife 47              Cartmel ?
Peter                   son 30             Leighton
Anna                   daug 16               ~
Margaret                     9                  ~

I think its the next page that shows son Thomas

Thomas Brockley head 32 ag/lab Leighton
Harriet                 wife 31 Wincham
Mary                     daug 5 Leighton
Thomas                  son 4
Anna                     daug 3
John                       son 4 months

It looks as if the naming pattern with Peter showing up in 51 makes this family look a very good bet.

regards

peterbennett

[Ter1]

Hello again Peter, I think you have helped me sort this one out? Assuming that the death certificate info is not entirely correct as to William's correct age and we go with the Census stats, I am more convinced now, having seen your details on William's remarriage and Elizabeth's death, that the William and Elizabeth I had thought were his parents are the most likely ones. In support of this I have info on William's (1814-15/16) siblings which I researched from the Bishops records for Coppenhall.
William and Elizabeth had:-
William 1815
Thomas Aug 3rd 1817
Peter Jan 27th 1820
John April 19th 1822
James April 17th 1825

If it is the same William who then married Margaret as you have indicated then I have identified from the same records
Ann 3rd Aug 1834
Joseph june 1838
These certainly tie in with the Census info you have detailed.
If this is so then I believe I have been able to identify his Grandparents as William Brockley and Mary Bebbington married on 11th May 1771 again in Coppenhall records?
Thank you for your advice and assistance. I'm sure I will be asking for your help again!