1841 look-up WALLDER

[celiasuud]

Would some kind person with access to the 1841 census,see if they can find any info' on the following:-
William Wallder 21  paper bag maker Hornsey
 Eliza wife 19 born southwark
Hannah  dau.3 St.Giles,Bloomsbury
John   son ( 10 in 1851 so may or may not be in existence)
Also
Joseph Wallder 15 fruit porter Hornsey

The two families(Joseph and his wife mary) were living in the same building in 1851 in the St.Clements area of Westminster.
Thanks for any help regards Celia

[CaroleW]

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MIDDLESEX PARISH & CENSUS RECORDS* 
Rick



Census

1841
Very little of the 1841 census has been indexed, this make searching very difficult and time consuming.

There is a partial 1841 index for Metropolitan Middlesex - pay to view.

http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/

[celiasuud]

Thanks for your reply,I thought it may be a long shot,I'll try the site you suggested with fingers crossed, once again thanks for your time . regards Celia

[jeffers]

Celia - Last December you were asking for info on Joseph Wallder, a fruit porter of Hornsey, and his brother, William Wallder of Hornsey, a paper bag maker.

Joseph was my great grandfather - could you kindly let me know your interest in him? Jeff

[celiasuud]

Hi Jeff, thanks for your interest, Joseph's brother William was my great great grandfather. I have a lot more information from the later period of their lives, but since I put in the request for the  info' that you are referring to, a lot more has become available online . It hasn't made Wallder's any easier to find as all our predecessors seem to have had more than one marriage or intermarried with the Gillam family!!. The fact that the name is misspelt dosen't help either. My line comes down through William's third marriage to Dinah Godwin.Please contact me again as I would love to know if my info' on Joseph is corrcet so far. regards Celia.

[jeffers]

Hi Celia, always good to meet another distant relative.

I knew very little about the Wallders outside of my line until earlier this year. I had traced my line back to Joseph Wallder (my great grandfather) and knew his father's name was William. But that was about all - despite the fact that I started the Genforum for Walder/Wallder a few years ago.

Then I made contact with George Wallder on the internet.

He told me that Joseph was one of three brothers: the other two being Henry and William. He too knew that Joseph and William and their families lived at the same address for a while. George Wallder was descended from your William as well and gave me a full tree for the William line. He explained that there are a lot of Wallders descended from your William living in Sheffield - the result of someone being stationed there in the Army and marrying a local lass.

He also put me in touch with a woman living round the corner from me who is descended from the other brother Henry - she supplied me with a full tree for that branch.

Then George sent me all his family research papers. George told me that our great great grandfather William Wallder (your ggggrandfather)was a coachman living in Hornsey who married a Sarah Woods from Carshalton in 1805.

I tried to trace this marriage via the usual routes and failed. I was looking at the IGI and for some reason decided to do a search for William and Sarah's 1805 marriage using Walder with one L. And up it popped on the IGI.

Now this didn't make sense, I couldn't understand why George thought this William Walder with one L could be our William Wallder with two Ls.  Also, the three brothers William, Joseph and Henry weren't born until about 15 years or more after the 1805 wedding date. That didn't seem right,  people dodn't wait 15 years to start a family specially in those days.

So I sent George an e-mail asking him to explain. I received a reply - from his widow!

She explained that George had just died (not unexpectedly). By asking the question a week or so too late, it remains an unexplained enigma to me.

Don't suppose you have any info on the 'William' who was the father of the three brothers William, Joseph and Henry?

Let me know how I can help you.

Jeff Wallder

 

[celiasuud]

Hi Jeff, I tried to e-mail you earlier,but I don't think  it was sent, so i'll reply here.
Firstly I thought "Jeffers " might be you and now I feel a bit of a fraud as I have already been in contact with you on the Genforum site as Sheila.
Was the late George Wallder a Londoner or was he from Sheffield?
I don't know anything about "William & Sarah" or indeed about Thomas and Joseph. I picked them up from your posting to Lorraine Painter.' and on the Census returns,(on and off)
 It has struck me as strange, as you say, that it took so long for them to produce children. I wondered if  (a). they had children and they all either were registered as Walder or died along with Sarah or (b) the 3 later boys were from a second marriage. Not checked if this is the case as yet.
I have had contact with Lorraine  Painter , she is related to my Great Grandfather's brother and also to a Fiona who is related through my Grandmother's Brother.
It was spooky when you posted to me as I have just  been working on the Wallder family  since I found out all the BMD's are on Rootsweb now. I have a lot of modern information to put into my family tree mostly about people who I know but haven't seen for years and probably wouldn't recognise if I passed them in the street!
I would be happy to impart any info about my line ,should you be interested, as I am intrigued to find out if you know what happened to Joseph's first wife and children,if this is the same one that married Priscilla and  that you are descended from?
Regards Sheila

[jeffers]

Hi Sheila,

George Wallder, who was quite elderly, was living in Gosport near Portsmouth when I was in contact with him (for only about two months before he died) but he may well have retired there. As he worked as an art director who designed graphics for films he may well have lived most of his life in the London area.

He gave me a lot of info on his (and your) branch of the family which descended from William Patrick. As I say, a lady round the corner from where I live who is descended from the other brother (Thomas not Henry as I said in my last message) has given me her tree.

I have never mapped out my tree from the third brother Joseph but I have all the info in a box to do so. Or so I thought until last weekend when I met a cousin I haven't seen for some time and she told me that my grandfather Donald Thomas Wallder had another brother called Dick (married to Polly) in addition to his other brother Walter James Wallder. So I have a bit of checking to do in that direction.

Whether this 'Uncle Dick' came from Joseph's first marriage I do not know, my grandfather and his brother Walter were both from the second marriage to Priscilla Macmillan. Strangely. my late father never mentioned this Uncle Dick.

If I ever find details on William Wallder who was the father of the three brothers I'll put you in the picture.

Jeff

[jeffers]

Hi Sheila

I have made some progress with Wallders since I last contacted you two years ago: on GenesReunited I have mapped out my branch of the family descended from Joseph Wallder and the branch descended from Thomas Wallder. But I haven't mapped out your branch descended from William Patrick even though I have it in outline from info sent to me by the late George Wallder. That branch is so comprehensive compared to the other two branches. Also no progress on identifying their father William Wallder who definitely came from Hornsey in North London and was married to a Sarah but no longer, I think, the William Wallder who married a Sarah Woods from Carshalton in 1805. How have you been getting on?