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Re: Rufus Jarman researcher?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 16 February 10 09:45 GMT (UK) »
Thank you to both of you for your replies. I am interested to know that there was a half-brother to the Jarman siblings. Who was his parent and when was he born ?

I am also intrigued about Ann Elizabeth's will, especially as William James Beadel (Elizabeth Appolonia's widower) referred in his own will to certain conditions in a Jarman document that his children had to abide by. He stated that he agreed with these conditions. I used to think that this might have referred to John Boykett Jarman's will, but I only discovered yesterday that he died intestate (rather surprisingly, I should think !). So it was probably Ann Elizabeth's - though I will have to check the date again because William Beadel died himself only a year after Ann Elizabeth. In  the 1930's it seems that they were perhaps trying to wind up a trust - I'm afraid I don't understand these things very well. All the children and known grandchildren of John Boykett were listed and people with a claim on this trust were asked to get in touch.   

I have been a bit slow in getting hold of this will but I will try to do so soon. Unfortunately it's one of the few things that can't be done on the Internet these days and I have been getting lazy. It could well give me a clue to where Reginald had got to. I was interested to find out yesterday that Jane Jarman had married in Australia, so Rupert would have already had an aunt there.

Thanks for your interest. I will let you know when I have a copy of the will.
Lynda

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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 16 February 10 09:51 GMT (UK) »
I have records on a Robert and Esther JARMAN and 4 children coming to Australia 1853 if that helps anyone.

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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 16 February 10 11:31 GMT (UK) »
Lynda hi - I've had a bit of luck -Found in my records a newspaper cutting headed SLOUGH/ Death and Burial of Miss Jarman. (dated by hand April 1891).
Mr W J Beadel MP for Brentwood was present, and further on were mentioned Mr Reginald Beadel  and Mr Rupert Beadel as being at the Langley Church.

No indication of what paper it came from - but clearly was local

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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 16 February 10 13:03 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much for that. I am quite surprised to see that Rupert had apparently returned to England and was present at the funeral. For some reason I had imagined he had cut himself off from the family. In Australia he was a tanner, very different from his father's line of business. And in the Australian announcement of his marriage, no mention is made of his parentage.  Interesting to see too that Reginald was present. This is my first "sighting" of him since the 1881 census. Neither of them can be located in the 1891 census so they might well both have just  arrived back from abroad. The paper got it  a little wrong about William Beadel's constituency. He lived near Brentwood at that time, but was MP for Chelmsford.  Another thing I discovered  yesterday was that this Slough paper has been digitised and put online. I  found the index entry for Reginald etc  - also many other references to Jarman. But frustratingly the link to a zoomable copy of the pages doesn't work. I have contacted Slough library to ask about the fault. Have also decided to visit the will repository in London today to order a copy of Ann Elizabeth's will and am on my way now.   

Lynda


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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 16 February 10 14:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Lynda - are you sure it's the right Rupert (tho' it's an uncommon name in Australia)? Working as a tanner was - I think -  very far down the socio-economic scale -- simply because of the smells and the chemicals used. As I understand it, it was an awful job.

 I find it hard to imagine an 'announcement of marriage' for a tanner -- it's rather like a rabbitoh or a station hand announcing their marriage in The (London)Times.

Could I help --  living in Oz?

To know the beneficiaries of Ann Jarman's will would explain a whole lot of puzzles that I've had , trying to untangle the family tree.

Strength to your arm!

MegM


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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 16 February 10 18:19 GMT (UK) »
Well, that's what I thought as well - about the low status of a tanner. It all seems a bit odd, but this family did put several announcements in the newspaper, particularly about the funeral of their young daughter and subsequent in-memoriam notices. I have just come across these announcements on-line as well and you can see them if you search this site for Beadel: newspapers.nla.gov.au.

 If you know Sydney at all you might be able to tell what sort of neighbourhoods they lived in - but I realise that you are quite likely to  live hundreds of miles away !    I have started to wonder if he perhaps owned a tanning business or something. It must be the right Rupert as it is not a common name at all - and there are clues on the Australian side to confirm that he was the son of William James Beadel - mentioned on his death and/or marriage certificates for example.   It does seem strange that both sons managed to be in England to  attend the funeral but were not listed in the census a couple of weeks earlier  - it's not as if they could have just flown back in a matter of hours as soon as they heard the news. The report wouldn't say that people were at the funeral if they weren't, would it ? 

 Rupert had another strange event in his life. In 1897 he was reported as 'missing' in the New South Wales Police Gazette - last seen on Botany Pier. This was only a few months after the death of his daughter at the age of eight. However, he must have been found.

I have ordered Ann Elizabeth's will, and will let you know the contents when it arrives in about a week. 

Lynda


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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 16 February 10 22:38 GMT (UK) »
Hello again ,
These days I live in Sydney ( Australian Resident / British Citizen )so I may be able to assist with the locality , in 1890 the main Abattoir was at Glebe  ( located approx 2 miles SW of the famous Sydney Harbour Bridge built 40 years later ) .   In those days this would have been the main resource for Tanning products but being by the docks , Tanneries could be found up river West to Parramatta and beyond .

I have included a few Sydney pictures of the period for your interest .

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« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 17 February 10 00:38 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the pictures. They were living in Alexandria in 1896, which doesn't seem to be far from Glebe.  The street was Jessen Street but that doesn't appear on Google maps so perhaps it doesn't exist now. Later I think they moved  to the Mascot area. Rupert's son Edward seems to have been something of a champion golfer and is mentioned many times in newspapers in connection with the Bonnie Doon golf club.

Lynda 


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« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 03 March 10 18:27 GMT (UK) »
I now have Ann Elizabeth Jarman's will - a very long affair with countless individual legacies and several changes of mind in the codicils. The main heir seems to be Rosa Julia Claget, her niece, who was to have inherited absolutely but had this changed when she married Thomas Chalk to income for life from a trust. A codicil making this change says that, if Rosa Julia were not to have children the trust would go at her death to any of Ann Elizabeth Jarman's next of kin  living at the time of  her (Miss Jarmans) death. This, I thought, accounted for the search for her next of kin in the 1930s. However, later in the same codicil she seems to change her mind and direct that it should go to John Fitz Hall, her fathers natural son (£200), his wife (£200), his two daughters (£100 each), Walter Cooper (£200), Emily Cooper (£100) and the balance to the children of Major Arthur Chapman by his wife Frances. Provisions to the Fitz Hall family in the original will are ... £700 to John Fitz Hall of Tempe? Cooks River, Sydney; and £100 to Miss Jarmans goddaughter Ann Fitz Hall spinster, daughter of said John Fitz Hall.
I dont have access to a scanner just at the moment but I have semi transcribed the will for my own use   (partially transcribed and partially summarised where I didn't think I needed all the legal jargon). Not sure what is best to do with it. Should I  (can I ?)attach it here or send it by pm to any of you who are interested ?