Author Topic: OK I give up!  (Read 4767 times)

Offline Sueh2

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 567
  • Violet Ward 1902-1996
    • View Profile
Re: OK I give up!
« Reply #9 on: Friday 01 March 13 22:50 GMT (UK) »
Looks like one of my "brickwalls" is about to come tumbling down.......how exciting.

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
E Yorks: HALL, HARLEY, HARVEY, HULLAH, PORTER, PRESTON.
Essex: HARVEY, SMITH. ONG, HUMM/HUME
Norfolk: TUCK
Lincs: ADAMS, HOLLAND.

Offline Jool

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,592
  • James Dodson, beautifully restored by mozza29
    • View Profile
Re: OK I give up!
« Reply #10 on: Friday 01 March 13 23:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sue,

See, they told you not to give up  ;D. It may have taken 7.1/2 years to get an answer but I'm sure it will be worth the wait when theslider comes back on the forum.  I bet you are sitting there watching for the little green light to come on to show they are online  ;D

In the meantime, have you checked these births on FreeBMD

Alice Maud E Harvey
Sept Q 1904 Devonport

Charles F G F Harvey
Dec Q 1910 Devonport

Jool



Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/West Bromwich.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

Offline Sueh2

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 567
  • Violet Ward 1902-1996
    • View Profile
Re: OK I give up!
« Reply #11 on: Friday 01 March 13 23:22 GMT (UK) »
Oh yes I'm already on the trail!!!!

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
E Yorks: HALL, HARLEY, HARVEY, HULLAH, PORTER, PRESTON.
Essex: HARVEY, SMITH. ONG, HUMM/HUME
Norfolk: TUCK
Lincs: ADAMS, HOLLAND.

Online Dundee

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,441
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: OK I give up!
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 06 April 22 14:49 BST (UK) »
As you have been searching for so long you have probably seen this family.

Elizabeth Ann COLWILL had several illegitimate children in Stratton, Cornwall.

COLWELL, SAMUEL  CHARLES POOLY
GRO Reference: 1878  S Quarter in STRATTON  Volume 05C  Page 5
(This child died soon after birth)

COLWILL, EMILY  ANN
GRO Reference: 1880  D Quarter in STRATTON  Volume 05C  Page 4

COLWILL, WILLIAM  CHARLES LEWIS BECKLEY
GRO Reference: 1882  D Quarter in STRATTON  Volume 05C  Page 5

COLWILL, NORA  GRACE
GRO Reference: 1885  J Quarter in STRATTON  Volume 05C  Page 3

The children's baptisms are here

https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/baptisms/

In 1881 Elizabeth Ann is in the workhouse with Emily and then I think Elizabeth died at the workhouse on 17 June 1887 aged 28.

In 1891 William and Laura G. are still in the workhouse and Emily is with her grandparents William and Grace in Lanivet.  Grace's maiden surname was BECKLEY so that would be where William's middle name came from.  Emily's age is 8 when she was closer to 11.

Nora Grace was registered with that name but baptised Laura Grace so it is hard to know which name was correct.  I cannot see any further sign of a Laura, but Nora appears in 1901 in Torquay.

She was baptised on 4 June 1885 and you know that your Nora was born 9 Apr 1885 (maybe, if she wasn't making it up).  For the cost of a birth cert it would be interesting to see the date of birth of that child.

Emily's year of birth is not correct but I do wonder if either she didn't know how old she was or put her age up to marry.  She was baptised with the extra middle name 'Perry'.  Your Emily was supposedly born on 9 November and this Emily Ann was baptised on 3 December, so that would work as well.

This is interesting - we have had a few instances on these boards where people's ancestors were in possession of the wrong birth certificate......

William born 1882 starts using his second name Charles from 1901 (I think he is in Devonport) and marries Margaret LEACH in 1903 at Launcells in Cornwall.  He does not name a father and says he is 19.

In 1911 they are still at Launcells and he says he is 29 and born in Stratton.  In 1921 he is still Charles and is 37, born in Launcells.

Roll along 1939 and he suddenly becomes Samuel C. born 21 Sep 1878 and he dies as Samuel Charles Pooley COLWILL (see his deceased brother's birth reg above) in 1954.  Did he apply for a birth cert search sometime between 1921 and 1939 and received the wrong one?

Have you had your DNA 'done'?

Debra  :)




Offline Sueh2

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 567
  • Violet Ward 1902-1996
    • View Profile
Re: OK I give up!
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 06 April 22 17:02 BST (UK) »
Well thank you for all that info.

I had seen some of these and dismissed them but now that you have brought them back to my attention I will investigate a little further.

Back to the research

Thanks again

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
E Yorks: HALL, HARLEY, HARVEY, HULLAH, PORTER, PRESTON.
Essex: HARVEY, SMITH. ONG, HUMM/HUME
Norfolk: TUCK
Lincs: ADAMS, HOLLAND.

Offline theslider1000

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 9
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: OK I give up!
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 06 April 22 18:26 BST (UK) »
This could make sense  with both Emily and Norah (laura) marrying navy men in Devonport.

Offline Sueh2

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 567
  • Violet Ward 1902-1996
    • View Profile
Re: OK I give up!
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 06 April 22 19:48 BST (UK) »
They do seem to be the closest match we have made. But I still have a few niggling doubts. How about you?

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
E Yorks: HALL, HARLEY, HARVEY, HULLAH, PORTER, PRESTON.
Essex: HARVEY, SMITH. ONG, HUMM/HUME
Norfolk: TUCK
Lincs: ADAMS, HOLLAND.

Offline Ashtone

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,141
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: OK I give up!
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 06 April 22 19:55 BST (UK) »
But I still have a few niggling doubts. How about you?

What are your doubts? Dundee's findings are a very good fit so far.

Offline theslider1000

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 9
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: OK I give up!
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 06 April 22 20:05 BST (UK) »
The one thing that might help is if there are any relatives of the son born  in 1882, William but may as people have said taken his late brothers name.