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Offline Dizzy Escape

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #63 on: Saturday 10 December 05 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi Arranroots!  Thanks for your continuing interest! :)

Ok, here goes, expunged of all my romantic stuff about French prisoners of war etc!  ;)

Emma Hamlyn m. Charles Lot Cheeseman on 30 Jun 1864 in the Parish Church, Paddington, Middx; (both full age), he a coachman, no employment given for her; he's living in Rusthall, Kent; her address is given as Gloucester Terrace; his father was Charles Cheeseman, labourer (of Beenham, Berkshire), and her father was William Hamlyn, butcher.
Witnesses:  John Mason & Anne Hanlon

They had two children:  Emily (1865) and Charles (1867).  Don't know what became of Emily.  I have Charles' birth certificate.  He was my great grandfather:

19 Apr 1867, Denny Bottom, Rusthall - boy - Charles
Father - Charles Lot Cheeseman - coachman (domestic servant)
Mother - Emma Cheeseman, formerly Hamlyn

Emma died in 1870 and I have her death certificate:
27 Feb 1870, Rusthall, Emma Cheeseman, 35 yrs old, wife of Charles Lot Cheeseman, coachman;
phthisis pulmonalis 5 yrs certified
C.L. Cheeseman, present at death, Rusthall

Charles remarried the following year:
21 Mar 1871, St Paul's Church, Rusthall, Kent:  Charles Lot Cheeseman (widower) & Clara Verrall (spinster); both of full age; he's a groom; both resident in Rustall; frs: Charles Cheeseman and Henry Verrall, both labourers.
Witnesses:  Adam Lattimer & Frances Huckle.

I know all about the Cheesemans in Berkshire and am now trying to trace the Hamlyns.

We have found only two William Hamlyns who were butchers and who seem to have had daughters called Emma around 1835, when our Emma would have been born:

1) William Hamlin of Bovey Tracey, Devon.
IGI records the christening of an Emma Jane Hamlin, the daughter of William & Sarah Hamlin, in Bovey Tracey on 15 May 1836.  We know from the 1841 Census that William Hamlin of Bovey Tracey was a butcher, although there is no mention of an Emma among his children in 41 or later censuses.  We know from the 1851 Census that he was dead by then and his widow and eldest son have taken on the butchering business.  There are records in the Newton Abbot district between 1846 and 1848 of three deaths of men called William Hamlin, one of which is probably him.

2) William Hamlyn of St Giles & Bloomsbury Workhouse, London, described as a butcher aged 60 in the 1841 Census, not born in the county (i.e, Middx).  His death certificate records that he died on 5 January 1843 aged 61 yrs (possibly 66) of a diseased bladder; his death is reported by an occupier of the workhouse, Robert Busey.  No occupation is mentioned.  We know from IGI that an Emma Hamlyn, the daughter of William & Johanna Hamlyn, was christened at St Botolph, Bishopsgate 8 Feb 1835 (b. 23 May 1834).  IGI also records the marriage of a William Hamlyn and a Johanna Sullivan on 6 Aug 1834 at the Old Church, St Pancras.

We know that a Johanna Hamlyn died in the Newington area (Surrey) in the March quarter of 1840, so perhaps the next step is to send off for this certificate to see if she's the wife of a William, butcher.

That's all!
Anglesey & Denbigh: Hughes,Davies
Berks: Cheeseman,Monger,Hussey
Cornwall: Treloar/Trelowath
Devon: Hamlyn
Essex: Stace, Hummerstone, Dixon
Flint: Hooson
Herts: Woodcock
Kent: Jones, Bayley
Merioneth: Disley
Montgomery: Disley
Salop: Cleobury, Hotchkiss, Glover, Oswell
Suffolk: Howe,Spark,Gridley
Surrey:Street,Knight,Street
Yorks:Rich,Goodlad,Hargreaves
Wilts: Pike,House,Downe,Eyres,Cole,Appleford, Westhall,Cheesmund
London:Dixon,Steel,Planck,Debrauder,Hamlyn
Ireland:Sullivan, Egan

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #64 on: Saturday 10 December 05 12:33 GMT (UK) »
And hello Jan!  Sorry, our posts crossed.  Yes, I'll send off for the certificate.  Yes, of course, thanks for pointing out Emma, daughter of Robert & Hannah's baptism.  That does indeed preclude our theory that our Emma was living with them in 1841.  Hmmm :-\  Forgot about big Jane!
Anglesey & Denbigh: Hughes,Davies
Berks: Cheeseman,Monger,Hussey
Cornwall: Treloar/Trelowath
Devon: Hamlyn
Essex: Stace, Hummerstone, Dixon
Flint: Hooson
Herts: Woodcock
Kent: Jones, Bayley
Merioneth: Disley
Montgomery: Disley
Salop: Cleobury, Hotchkiss, Glover, Oswell
Suffolk: Howe,Spark,Gridley
Surrey:Street,Knight,Street
Yorks:Rich,Goodlad,Hargreaves
Wilts: Pike,House,Downe,Eyres,Cole,Appleford, Westhall,Cheesmund
London:Dixon,Steel,Planck,Debrauder,Hamlyn
Ireland:Sullivan, Egan

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #65 on: Thursday 15 December 05 10:04 GMT (UK) »
Hello, people!  I think I'm going to have to admit defeat on the Hamlyn front.   :-[  Johanna Hamlyn who died in Newington in 1840 was 64, so not the mother of Emma (b. 1835).  Frustratingly, she is described as the wife of ___ Hamlyn (Warehouseman)!  - in any case, clearly not a butcher.

Back to square one.  Can't think where else to go.  Any suggestions?!  :-\ 
Anglesey & Denbigh: Hughes,Davies
Berks: Cheeseman,Monger,Hussey
Cornwall: Treloar/Trelowath
Devon: Hamlyn
Essex: Stace, Hummerstone, Dixon
Flint: Hooson
Herts: Woodcock
Kent: Jones, Bayley
Merioneth: Disley
Montgomery: Disley
Salop: Cleobury, Hotchkiss, Glover, Oswell
Suffolk: Howe,Spark,Gridley
Surrey:Street,Knight,Street
Yorks:Rich,Goodlad,Hargreaves
Wilts: Pike,House,Downe,Eyres,Cole,Appleford, Westhall,Cheesmund
London:Dixon,Steel,Planck,Debrauder,Hamlyn
Ireland:Sullivan, Egan

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #66 on: Thursday 15 December 05 16:47 GMT (UK) »
No suggestions at the moment Dizzy. Will let you know if anything comes to mind. Don't admit defeat just put Emma and family aside and go off burrowing for something else - in my experience new info often pops up when you're not looking for it :D
Cheers Jan ;)
ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge


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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #67 on: Monday 24 April 06 18:02 BST (UK) »
Hello people.  No progress on the Emma Hamlyn front until today, when I checked her on the new ancestry.com 1841 census site.  There's a six year old Emma in the Shoreditch Nursery for Poor Children.  This ties in nicely with her father William's fate in 1841 - if indeed this is her father - because he's in the Bloomsbury Workhouse.  Still don't know who her mother is. 
Anglesey & Denbigh: Hughes,Davies
Berks: Cheeseman,Monger,Hussey
Cornwall: Treloar/Trelowath
Devon: Hamlyn
Essex: Stace, Hummerstone, Dixon
Flint: Hooson
Herts: Woodcock
Kent: Jones, Bayley
Merioneth: Disley
Montgomery: Disley
Salop: Cleobury, Hotchkiss, Glover, Oswell
Suffolk: Howe,Spark,Gridley
Surrey:Street,Knight,Street
Yorks:Rich,Goodlad,Hargreaves
Wilts: Pike,House,Downe,Eyres,Cole,Appleford, Westhall,Cheesmund
London:Dixon,Steel,Planck,Debrauder,Hamlyn
Ireland:Sullivan, Egan

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #68 on: Monday 24 April 06 21:40 BST (UK) »
That's exciting Dizzy. If only Johanna would turn up - dead or alive - if she is the mother of course :D
Jan ;)
ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #69 on: Thursday 04 May 06 20:57 BST (UK) »
Hello, again.  A little more progress .... perhaps.  Pallots Marriage List records four weddings involving William Hamlyns and the brides, dates and places are as follows:
Kezia Weeks - 1828 - St Leonard's, Shoreditch
Johanna Sullivan - 1834 - St Pancras
Eleanor Gasking - 1829 - St Pancras
Mary Laskey - 1797 - Lustleigh

I think we can rule out Mary Laskey because 1797 is far too early.  We know that Johanna Hamlyn died in Newington in 1840 aged 64, so I think we can rule her out.  I found Eleanor Gasking in the 1841 Census with her husband and parents in Babbicombe, Devon, and her husband is a joiner.  So that leaves Kezia.  Unfortunately I cannot find any Kezia Hamlyns in the censuses and I cannot find a reference to the death of a Kezia Hamlyn (perhaps she died before 1837 - in childbirth, perhaps?  (Emma was born in 1834/5.)  I suppose the next step is to get access to the marriage register of St Leonard's, Shoreditch.  Not sure whether anyone's put it on CD / commercially available microfiche, so perhaps the next step is a visit to the London Metropolitan Archives, where St Leonard's records are kept.
Anglesey & Denbigh: Hughes,Davies
Berks: Cheeseman,Monger,Hussey
Cornwall: Treloar/Trelowath
Devon: Hamlyn
Essex: Stace, Hummerstone, Dixon
Flint: Hooson
Herts: Woodcock
Kent: Jones, Bayley
Merioneth: Disley
Montgomery: Disley
Salop: Cleobury, Hotchkiss, Glover, Oswell
Suffolk: Howe,Spark,Gridley
Surrey:Street,Knight,Street
Yorks:Rich,Goodlad,Hargreaves
Wilts: Pike,House,Downe,Eyres,Cole,Appleford, Westhall,Cheesmund
London:Dixon,Steel,Planck,Debrauder,Hamlyn
Ireland:Sullivan, Egan

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #70 on: Friday 05 May 06 11:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Dizzy
Before you throw Johanna out remember you have the 8th Feb 1835 baptism of Emma Hamlyn in St Botolph Bishopgate parents William Hamlyn and Johanna. The death you found is therefore unlikely to be her.

Good luck and keep us posted
Jan ;)
ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #71 on: Friday 05 May 06 11:28 BST (UK) »
William and Johanna also have a daughter Ann christened in Bishopgate - possible for the witness at Emma's marriage ??? :-\

Jan ;)
ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge