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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 24 November 05 15:33 GMT (UK) »
According to IGI she was christened 'Emma Jane Hamlin', so perhaps she went by the name of Jane as a child.  If it is the same person we are talking about, then she was using the name 'Emma' by the time of her marriage in 1864.  Mind you, her husband was using his second name, since he was christened Lot Cheeseman and he is calling himself Charles (his father's name and not even an official second name as far as I know) by the time of his marriage.  Probably didn't want his wife to be known as 'Lot's wife'!  Best wishes, Emma
Anglesey & Denbigh: Hughes,Davies
Berks: Cheeseman,Monger,Hussey
Cornwall: Treloar/Trelowath
Devon: Hamlyn
Essex: Stace, Hummerstone, Dixon
Flint: Hooson
Herts: Woodcock
Kent: Jones, Bayley
Merioneth: Disley
Montgomery: Disley
Salop: Cleobury, Hotchkiss, Glover, Oswell
Suffolk: Howe,Spark,Gridley
Surrey:Street,Knight,Street
Yorks:Rich,Goodlad,Hargreaves
Wilts: Pike,House,Downe,Eyres,Cole,Appleford, Westhall,Cheesmund
London:Dixon,Steel,Planck,Debrauder,Hamlyn
Ireland:Sullivan, Egan

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 24 November 05 15:42 GMT (UK) »
The only Jane Hamlin I can find is in service and is aged 11 living with the French family in Rogerswell, North Bovey. The Hamlyn family lived in East Bovey. Kate.
Cavan - FLYNN & NEARY
Donegal - O'DONNELL
Dublin - BRADY, GREEN, NEILL & ST LEGER
Kerry - CRIMEEN, CROWLY & DONOGHUE
Longford - FLYNN, WHELAN & DAVIS
Sligo - FLYNN & HEALY
Wicklow - CLARE, COLEY, CRIMEEN, CUNNIAM, DOYLE, FLYNN, MURPHY, O'BYRNE & SUTTON
Devon, Som, Glam & Mon - BISSETT
Gloucs, Glam & Mon - ROBERTS
Here, Brec & Mon - WATKINS
Mon - ISRAEL, LEWIS, MATTHEWS, MORGAN & PROBERT
Salop & Mon - EVANS
Census info is crown copyright www.nationalarchives.co

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 November 05 16:08 GMT (UK) »
Sounds good, Kate - maybe that's where the FRENCH story came from!!  ;D
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 November 05 21:32 GMT (UK) »
Thanks.  I'll let you know if the death certificate throws any light on all of this.  By the way, was Jane Hamlin aged 11 in 1841 or 1851?  Emma
Anglesey & Denbigh: Hughes,Davies
Berks: Cheeseman,Monger,Hussey
Cornwall: Treloar/Trelowath
Devon: Hamlyn
Essex: Stace, Hummerstone, Dixon
Flint: Hooson
Herts: Woodcock
Kent: Jones, Bayley
Merioneth: Disley
Montgomery: Disley
Salop: Cleobury, Hotchkiss, Glover, Oswell
Suffolk: Howe,Spark,Gridley
Surrey:Street,Knight,Street
Yorks:Rich,Goodlad,Hargreaves
Wilts: Pike,House,Downe,Eyres,Cole,Appleford, Westhall,Cheesmund
London:Dixon,Steel,Planck,Debrauder,Hamlyn
Ireland:Sullivan, Egan


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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #13 on: Friday 25 November 05 10:18 GMT (UK) »
Sorry forgot that part. She wa 11 on the 1841' which probably makes it unlikely she is yours. Good luck! Let me know if you need anymore help. Kate.
Cavan - FLYNN & NEARY
Donegal - O'DONNELL
Dublin - BRADY, GREEN, NEILL & ST LEGER
Kerry - CRIMEEN, CROWLY & DONOGHUE
Longford - FLYNN, WHELAN & DAVIS
Sligo - FLYNN & HEALY
Wicklow - CLARE, COLEY, CRIMEEN, CUNNIAM, DOYLE, FLYNN, MURPHY, O'BYRNE & SUTTON
Devon, Som, Glam & Mon - BISSETT
Gloucs, Glam & Mon - ROBERTS
Here, Brec & Mon - WATKINS
Mon - ISRAEL, LEWIS, MATTHEWS, MORGAN & PROBERT
Salop & Mon - EVANS
Census info is crown copyright www.nationalarchives.co

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #14 on: Friday 25 November 05 14:23 GMT (UK) »
The GRO have excelled themselves!  I sent off yesterday for Emma Cheeseman (nee Hamlin's) death certificate and it arrived this morning!!!! Standard delivery.  What service!

Anyway, she's 35 at her death in Feb 1870 - which again fits in with the Emma Jane Hamlin whose christening in May 1835 IGI records.  The question is, am I justified in assuming that William Hamlin was the only butcher called William Hamlin who had a daughter called Emma that year?  Can I lay claim to Devon ancestry?  I do hope so.  Thanks to you all, Emma
Anglesey & Denbigh: Hughes,Davies
Berks: Cheeseman,Monger,Hussey
Cornwall: Treloar/Trelowath
Devon: Hamlyn
Essex: Stace, Hummerstone, Dixon
Flint: Hooson
Herts: Woodcock
Kent: Jones, Bayley
Merioneth: Disley
Montgomery: Disley
Salop: Cleobury, Hotchkiss, Glover, Oswell
Suffolk: Howe,Spark,Gridley
Surrey:Street,Knight,Street
Yorks:Rich,Goodlad,Hargreaves
Wilts: Pike,House,Downe,Eyres,Cole,Appleford, Westhall,Cheesmund
London:Dixon,Steel,Planck,Debrauder,Hamlyn
Ireland:Sullivan, Egan

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #15 on: Friday 25 November 05 15:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi Emma
This is a difficult one. The only facts you have are from her marriage and death certificates so at the moment don't think you should assume the Bovey Tracey Emma is yours. I would be tempted to put out a call for a search for her in 1861 - where was she married? This seems a good starting point for an area where she might be. Have you found her husband in '71  and thus have a birthplace for him?

I would hang onto that Jane Hamlin though - the 11 could have been a misheard 7 or even a wild guess on behalf of the Frenchs, maybe she was a big girl.

Hope you sort this one out.

Jan ;)
ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 26 November 05 16:30 GMT (UK) »
Thanks.  I know quite a lot about the family into which she married.  They were a Berkshire-based family called the Cheesemans and I have traced them back to the 1740s in two villages there (Beenham and West Ilsley).  Emma married a man called 'Lot Cheeseman' ('Lot' because he was the seventh of seven sons and his mother, when he was born, said 'that's the lot'!  This is the first piece of family oral history which proved to be true when I began researching and I am now quite excited about the prospect of another piece of oral history becoming more plausible with this possible Devon link.  I've been looking into the history of French prisoners of war in Dartmoor and find that officers were allowed to live in one of eight 'parole towns', one of which was Moretonhampstead, where the eldest of Emma Hamlyn's possible brothers was born.  This is, of course, circumstantial evidence and doesn't prove anything.  However, try as I might, I cannot find any sign of Emma Hamlyn on the 1841, 51 or 61 censuses.  (Neither can I find any evidence of the death of the Emma Hamlin who was christened in Devon in 1836.)  By the time my Emma was married she was living in Gloucester Terrace in Paddington, so I had hitherto supposed her to be a Londoner, but I've not managed to find any sign of her or her father, William the butcher, in London.  Lot was a coachman and he and Emma were living in Rusthall, Kent, when their children were born and this is where Emma died.  Presumably his work had taken him here.
By the way, your suggestion that Jane Hamlin might have been a big girl rings true to the family story.  The story goes that the Frenchman fell in love with a woman called Bertha.  He was small and wiry and she was huge and very strong and could throw big sacks of corn on to carts which two men would usually have to handle!  So I suppose Jane might have been a big girl! 
Best wishes, Emma
Anglesey & Denbigh: Hughes,Davies
Berks: Cheeseman,Monger,Hussey
Cornwall: Treloar/Trelowath
Devon: Hamlyn
Essex: Stace, Hummerstone, Dixon
Flint: Hooson
Herts: Woodcock
Kent: Jones, Bayley
Merioneth: Disley
Montgomery: Disley
Salop: Cleobury, Hotchkiss, Glover, Oswell
Suffolk: Howe,Spark,Gridley
Surrey:Street,Knight,Street
Yorks:Rich,Goodlad,Hargreaves
Wilts: Pike,House,Downe,Eyres,Cole,Appleford, Westhall,Cheesmund
London:Dixon,Steel,Planck,Debrauder,Hamlyn
Ireland:Sullivan, Egan

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Re: Emma Hamlin
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 26 November 05 16:55 GMT (UK) »
Can't look her up for full details but there is an Emma Hamlyn born circa 1835 in Devon and living in Devon in 1861 - is she someone you've already discounted? Also a Jane Hamlin born Devon about 1834 and living Devon in 1861.

Jan ;)
ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge