Emma HAMLIN

[janan]

How exciting Emma
Shame that marriage isn't an extracted record. I think you can view the film at your nearest LDS family history centre - think you have to order it but I haven't ever done this. If you can't fathom it out from the familysearch site post a query in the Common Room and some knowledgeble soul will help you out.

Don't know about that Sarah in Jersey - in 41 there is a Sarah Hamlyn Female Servant 35 in Plymouth (Charles the Martyr) who could well be the same lady. Though guess that doesn't rule her out.

Jan

[Dizzy Escape]

Okay - next instalment!  I finally got down to the Guildhall Library today - to check those St Botolph Bishopsgate baptisms of Ann and Emma Hamlyn, the daughters of William and Johanna Hamlyn (both christened in Feb 1835 but born in May 1832 and May 1834 respectively).  William is indeed a butcher  and his address is 'Seven Dials' - i.e., he is the butcher listed working at Lumber Court, Seven Dials in the 1839 Pigot's Directory and therefore presumably the father of William Henry Hamlyn who was born there in 1837, by which time he is married to Sarah nee Carr. 

I also took the opportunity to go through the Freedom Registers of the Worshipful Company of Butchers (from 1796 onwards) but there was no sign of a William Hamlyn.

Now I must get back down to London to check the St Pancras marriage registers at the London Metropolitan Archives for the wedding of William Hamlyn and Johanna Sullivan on 6 Aug 1834. 

All best, Emma

[janan]

Fantastic It is all coming together - it is as exciting as finding ones of my own.
Actually I have recently found some more of mine in the same area - St Martin in the Filelds - a rush of wills which have fleshed things out a lot.

Look forward to your next update
Jan

[Dizzy Escape]

Hi, Jan.  Got down to the London Metropolitan Archives, finally, and found the entry for William Hamlyn's marriage at Old Church, St Pancras.  It reads as follows:
William Hamlyn, Widower of this Parish, and Johanna Sullivan, Spinster of this parish, were married by Banns 6 Aug 1834.  Both signed (i.e., were literate).  The witnesses were Elizabeth Ridge and Jane Keane.  No mention of occupation, alas.  By Aug 1834, 'our' William Hamlyn (butcher) had two daughters, Ann (b. May 1832) and Emma (b. May 1834).  Admittedly, they only got around to christening them in Feb 1835, by which time they were 'respectable', I suppose.  But I'm still dubious.  It begs a number of questions:
1. Why did they christen the children in St Botolph Bishopsgate when they were living in the parish of St Giles, Holborn (as it says in the St Botolph registers)?
2. This couple were 'of this parish' (St Pancras) in Aug 1834, whereas in Feb 1835 we know they were living in the parish of St Giles in 'Lumber Court'.
3.  If William was a widower, I suppose Johanna might have been his mistress and this might have been the earliest opportunity for him to wed the mother of his two daughters.  Would they then have been given his surname?
All ideas welcome!

I suppose I'd better get back down to the London Metropolitan Archives to search for the death of William's first wife!  (I've just had a brainwave and have checked the NBI for Hamlyn burials in London during the relevant years, but sadly have not come up with anything except a Jane Hamlin who was buried in Clerkenwell in 1827 aged 35.)

All best,
Emma

[janan]

Hi Emma
I wonder how old Johanna was when they married - just thinking she may have been underage? I'm sure I've read somewhere St Pancras Old Church was one of those churches where you could marry even if you didn't live in the parish - oh just seen they were of this parish but maybe only temporarily so that Johanna could marry without consent by lying about her age?
As for the christenings - my Childs family only ever appear to have lived in the parish of St Giles but all the children were baptised in St Martin in the Fields 

Jan

[Dizzy Escape]

Hmmm.  I'll let you know if I make any progress on my next London trip!  Oh, dear, I don't know why this particular problem obsesses me so much!!!
All best, Emma

[merrywoods]

Hi there, sorry to push in on your chat, but wondered if you could help.  I have an ancestor, James Cheeseman b 1792 d 1856 - he married a Rebecca Wale and had at least one daughter, Phoebe, who married William Sawyer.  My cheesemans were living in/near Camberwell/St Giles Peckham.  Rebecca was apparently born in Maidenhead.  I wonder if they could be part of the cheeseman family of which you write?  Would be grateful for any information.  Cheers!

[Dizzy Escape]

You're very welcome to join in this chat! I'm afraid I can't find a Cheeseman connection with my lot yet. Mine were mainly based in Beenham and West Ilsley in Berkshire and before that I think they may have been in Ramsbury in Wiltshire. And then my ancestor, Lot, went to the Tunbridge Wells area as a coachman. But I'll let you know if I stumble across any links with yours. Many thanks, Emma

[janan]

Hi Merrywoods

Welcome to Rootschat
Hope you have as much fun as I have

Regards
Jan