Emma HAMLIN

[Arranroots]

There are no Emmas born 1834 +/- 2 yrs in London/ Middlesex appearing on the 1851 or 1861 census!!

Cat among the pigeons time - have you considered that the family might have come from further afield?

Looking through the Hamlins it strikes me that a big proportion of them are Irish.  HANLON is also an Irish name and Paddington was a centre for the immigrant Irish population.  Research in Ireland anyone??

 

[Dizzy Escape]

Hi.  Yes - the illegitimate possibility had occurred to me, but no, Ann Hamlyn the servant in the Devonian clergyman's household in Paddington in 1861 was married.  No sign of a husband, though.  Curiouser and curiouser

Hamlin/Hamlyn seems to have strong Devon connections, and Hamlon/Hanlon seems strongly Irish.  I'm no good at tracing Irish genealogy, though - especially of immigrants.  I've got a number on the other side of the family and have drawn a blank! 

PS I've been looking for a possible husband of Ann Hamlyn the witness/servant in Paddington and have had no success in 1861.  However, there is yet another Hamlin family in Paddington and again they come from Devon - this lot (Hubert Hamlin and family) are from Exeter.  There seems to be a positive enclave of Devonian Hamlyns in Paddington!

PPS I've found another possible Emma Hamlyn in the 1851 Census, this one a seventeen year old house servant in Mile End Old Town, born in Chatham, Kent in c1834.  I can't find any other Hamlyns in Chatham, however, apart from a few young male Hanlons in the army barracks there, all of whom come from Ireland.  I've put out a request in the Kent section of Rootschat for a search of the Chatham 1841 Census to see if we can establish the name & occupation of this one's father.

[janan]

Ann Hamlyn born Clovelly appears to be in Devon in 1851, is she with a husband? and where is she living? Then I can check her in 41
Jan

[Dizzy Escape]

You're quite right.  She's in Bideford in 1851 with her husband and family, and her husband is called William Hamlyn (b. Clovelly).  However, he's an agricultural labourer.  And there are four sons and a daughter, but again, no Emma.  The daughter is called 'Eleanor' and she's 8 yrs old.

[Arranroots]

Is it Ann HAMLYN b 1798?

She is at Uppacott Cottage, Bideford with husband William (!) who is an ag lab ( )

There is also a younger Ann & a Mary Ann, but too young I suppose?  1830 & 1842 respectively.

A  

Ah - you found them - unless William retrained??

[janan]

Guess what I can't find Ann and William in 41

There is an Ann Hamlyn 40 with a daughter Emma age 10 but the gentleman she's with is Giles and he's a baker  .

Re occupation of William it could be misleading - I have an example where a deceased father's occupation is given as cattle dealer but on all censuses he is an innkeeper. He may well have dealt in cattle too but that isn't recorded. So possible an Ag Lab could be the village pig sticker say and if he cut the pigs up as well he could easily become a butcher in Emma's eyes.

Jan

[Dizzy Escape]

Hello, Jan.  I've made a bit of a breakthrough using 'The Genealogist' website.  Guess who I've found in the St Giles & Bloomsbury workhouse in the 1841 Census:

William Hamlyn, butcher, aged 60, not born in county.

I've found what looks as if it could be his death, too - in the March quarter of 1843, in the St Giles district.  I'll send off for it and report back. 

This may tie in with your idea about William and Johanna Hamlyn, who had a child named Emma who was christened in St Botolph, Bishopsgate in 1835.  IGI also records a marriage between a William Hamlyn and a Johanna Sullivan in 1834 in the Old Church, St Pancras.  Of course, the Devon connection may still be there, since he wasn't born in the county, but I've no idea how I'll trace him further back.

[Arranroots]

Hamlyn & Sullivan still sounds Irish to me - then you have BIG problems!! 

[janan]

That's good Dizzy - now you need to track down Emma in same area in 1841 hopefully living with a Johanna
Jan