hilman and gower

[barrystanford]

i have hit a brick wall can anybody help, james hillman married barbara gower at south malling in 1816 thats all the info. i can find concerning them hoping somone has more details on them.

[sillgen]

Hi
That particular marriage is one put onto the IGI by a member of the LDS church so your first move should be to check that the information is accurate by looking at the original register yourself.  There may be more details there and if they are from that parish you might find their bpatism details too.  If you are not able to go to Lewes record Office then you can order the film from your nearest LDS centre.  they are worldwide and listed on www.familysearch.org.
In 1851 living in Lewes there is a James Hillman, widower age 56, born Cliffe Lewes.  He is a coal porter.  If you discover enough to link him in then I can give you the full details.
Andrea

[barrystanford]

hi andrea, wow that was quick i only put the mess, on 2 hrr. ago thanks VERY much i will try to find out more and keep you informed once again thanks. BARRY

[Dimps]

Hi Barry

According to the Sussex Marriage Index, James Hillman and Barbara Gower were married by Banns in South Malling on 19th May 1816.

1841 South Malling
HO107/1117/4
South Street Schedule 2, Page 2 and Schedule 3, Page 3

Samuel Hillman, 45, Bargeman
Rebecca do, 40
Caroline do, 15
Edward do, 13
Sarah do, 11
Alfred do, 9
Samuel do, 9
Richard do, 6
William do, 4
Esther do, 2
Harry do, 8 months

All born in Sussex


Schedule 3, Page 4
South Street PB

Robert Gower, 35, I can't read his occupation (but I like to think it says Lemonade Brewer)
Esther ?, 20

Both born in Sussex


Schedule 9, Page 15
South Street PB

Arthur Gower, 30, Beer Shop Keeper
Sophia Gower, 30
Ann Gower, 10
Henry do, 3
Alfred do, 1
Sarah Baker, 15, FS
Alfred Gower, 60(?), Labourer

All born in Sussex


HO107/1117/8 St Thomas a Becket in the Cliffe, Lewes,
South Street Schedule 11, Page 16 and Schdule 12, Page 17

Steph Gower, 65, Lb
Eliz Gower, 65
Betty Lucas, 25, do
Wm Gower, 15, Lb
Wm Miles, 20, Lb

All born in Sussex


South Street Schedule 15, Page 21

John Hillman, 30, Bargeman
Mary Hillman, 35
Mary Ann do, 8
Elizabeth do, 6
John Prince do, 5
William do, 3
George do, 2
Alfred do, 2
Charles do, 5 months

Same building, separate household:

Mary Hillman, 65
Mary Hillman, 35
Mary Ansell, 45

All born in Sussex


North Street, Schedule 17, Page 26

Henry Hillman, 55, Ind
Caroline Hillman, 15
Maria Moore, 20, FS

All born in Sussex


North Street, Schedule 20, Page 31

Thomas Hillman, 30, Mercht
Fanny Hillman, 20
Thomas do, 2
Margaret do, 1

Couple of servants

All born in Sussex


North Street, Schedule 21, Page 33

Edward Gower, 30, Lb
Ann Gower, 30
Arthur do, 12
George do, 10
Caroline do, 4
Edward do, 20 Lb
Arthur Moore, 20, MS
Willm Moore, 16, Lb

All born in Sussex.


High Street, Schedule 28, Pages 1 and 2

John Wilmshurst, 78
Elizabeth Wilmshurst, 68
Esther Gower, 30
Ellen Gower, 10
Maria Gower, 4
Charles John Gower, 2

All born in Sussex


North Court, Schedule 36, Pages 17 and 18

Thomas Hillman, 30, Labourer
Mary Hillman, 29
Mary Hillman 8
Harriett Hillman, 6
George Hillman, 3
Thomas Hillman, 7 months

All born in Sussex.

I have only looked in the Cliffe area, as I have already spent most of the morning looking through Lewes for another surname (if only I'd known ).  Perhaps someone else can look through the rest of Lewis for you.  Is there an address for 1851 Andrea - or is this just a name index?


In 1861 in the Workhouse, St Nicholas Lane, All Saints (RG09/586/134/37):

James Hillman, Inmate, Widower, 71, Mariner

Dimps

[sillgen]

1851 is a name index so only brief address.   Green Walk St John u castle area.  He is living with daughter Jane and her husband Henry Hope.  She is 30 and born Cliffe Lewes so if it is the right one they stayed in the area.
Andrea

[barrystanford]

hi andrea, i went to the libary this afternoon and looked at the IGI and his daughter married henry hope, thats the one thank you VERY MUCH, Barry

[sillgen]

I am glad it is the right one.  I am a bit puzzled as to why you went to the library to look at the IGI when you obviously have access to the internet.  Maybe I have got this wrong.  You do know that the IGI is online at www.familysearch.org?    It is free to search and is a first port of call for all of us in this fascinating hobby of ours!
The reference for the 1851 census is HO 107 1643 F479
Henry Hope is a groom b Brighton.
Andrea

[barrystanford]

hi andrea, i know now, but iam new to this and still have much to learn, but iam learnig(the hard way lol)Barry

[barrystanford]

hi dimps, ihave just been told by the SFHG that james was a bargemen in 1816, from your info samual and john are bargemen so maybe theres some connection, thankyou. BARRY