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[Welsh Jen]

Dear Welsh Jen.

Thank you for that,.
I have to birth of Charles and Sarahs Son James. so am waiting for cert to see maiden name of  Sarah.
So he might have been in lodgings before getting married?
It's so difficult when you live so far away.

Is there a records office in Swansea that I could go and look at parish records?

Sorry but is CWMTWRCH  a place, as on 1881  he was shown as born Swansea.

I really appreicate all you help.

Pat

Get back to me when you have the Cert, you may have more idea of their religious denomination in order to view parish records. A lot of parish records are held in the university (there is a link for the swansea archivist Elisabeth Bennett on this Glamorgan board), but not all.

Cwmtwrch is an area near Swansea, ( There is Upper an Upper and Lower Cwmtwrch) if you search for Cwmtwrch Isaf you will find the map with this link:
http://www.multimap.com

Hope this is of help to you.  

[cheeseman]

 Dear Welsh Jen..

Many Thanks.

Pat

[Jason Hotchkiss]

Hello Jen

Could I ask you to do a Jones lookup for me? I realise the Joneses are hard to keep up with so I'll try to be detailed!

My GGG grandfather DAVID JONES was born around 1830 in Swansea St John. His father from his marriage certificate was THOMAS JONES and both were Mason's. David married SARAH CONDON and I have census matches for her ancestors and for the couple in 1851 (I think both of them died in the 1850's)

I'd like to be able to find David's parents and siblings in the 1841 census if possible. I found an IGI match for a DAVID JONES baptised in Swansea St John 14/1/1827 which gives the parents as THOMAS JONES and CATHERINE MARY (presumably Mary is a mddle name). In 1851 he gives his age as 21 so the date seems wrong, but David did name his eldest daughter Catherine so it could be a link!

Anyway if you have the time to help that would be great!

Thanks
Jason

[Welsh Jen]

Watch this space, in the process of going through disks for you.

Regards Jen

[Welsh Jen]

Yes means that they were born in Glamorgan.

Glamorgan Family History Society 1841 Census CD

District Name: Swansea             Enumeration District: 10 East                  

Piece: 1424/04      Folio: 022     Schedule: 051

Address: HAFOD VILLAGE          

S 25 022 051  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES THOMAS               36   (c1805)
                                     MASON                           YES
S 25                                 JONES CATHERINE            38   (c1803)
                                     -                               YES
S 25                                 JONES THOMAS               15   (c1826)
                                     MASON                           YES
S 25                                 JONES DAVID                12   (c1829)
                                     -                               YES
S 25                                 JONES ELIZABETH            10   (c1831)
                                     -                               YES
S 25                                 JONES MARY                  5   (c1836)
                                     -                               YES
S 25                                 JONES CATHERINE             2   (c1839)
                                     -                               YES
____________________
Also this may be useful for you to keep, it shows all Jones (I know it is a common name, but still worth a shot!) in the Hafod Village in Swansea:

             Glamorgan Family History Society 1841 Census CD

S 25 022 051  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES CATHERINE             2   -                               YES
S 25 022 051  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES CATHERINE            38   -                               YES
S 25 022 051  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES DAVID                12   -                               YES
S 25 022 051  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES ELIZABETH            10   -                               YES
S 25 022 050  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES ELIZABETH            15   -                               YES
S 25 022 050  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES ELIZABETH            35   -                               YES
S 25 021 042  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES ESTER                15   -                               YES
S 25 020 035A HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES EVAN                 35   SMITH                           YES
S 25 022 050  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES HENRY                11   -                               YES
S 25 022 050  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES HENRY                40   COPPERMAN                       YES
S 25 021 042  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES JAMES                14   COPPERMAN                       YES
S 25 022 050  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES JENKIN                 2M -                               YES
S 25 022 050  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES MARGRET               4   -                               YES
S 25 021 042  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES MARGRET               7   -                               YES
S 25 022 051A HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES MARGRET              18   FEMALE SERVANT                  YES
S 25 022 051A HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES MARGRET              18   FEMALE SERVANT                  YES
S 25 021 042  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES MARGRET              60   WIDOW                           YES
S 25 022 051  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES MARY                  5   -                               YES
S 25 022 051A HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES MORGAN                3   -                               YES
S 25 022 050  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES SARAH                13   -                               YES
S 25 022 051  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES THOMAS               15   MASON                           YES
S 25 022 051  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES THOMAS               36   MASON                           YES
S 25 022 050  HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES WILLIAM               7   -                               YES
S 25 020 035A HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES WILLIAM              19   MASON                           YES
S 25 022 051A HAFOD VILLAGE          JONES WILLIAM              30   COPPERMAN                       YES


Hope this helps you

Regards Jen ~ Swansea

[Welsh Jen]

Run out of space, so had to post here too!
I did a search for a David Jones c.1827 (as per your IGI details given) and there was only one match all others were born in Bridgend or Lots in Cardiff. The parent (widow) name is incorrect, so I doubt this one is yours.


Glamorgan Family History Society 1841 Census CD

District Name: Swansea             Enumeration District:  5 Clase (Morriston)      

Piece: 1419/02      Folio: 021     Schedule: 013

Address: MORRISTON              

S 20 021 013  MORRISTON              JONES EMMA                 46   (c1795)
                                     WIDOW                           NO  
S 20                                 JONES DAVID                14   (c1827)
                                     ROLLERMAN                       YES
S 20                                 JONES MARY                 17   (c1824)
                                     -                               YES
S 20 022                             JONES JAMES                12   (c1829)
                                     -                               YES
S 20                                 JONES EMMA                  9   (c1832)
                                     -                               YES
S 20                                 JONES HARRIET               6   (c1835)
                                     -                               YES


The IGI could be yours, it is either the Census birth year given is incorrect, or they did have a son named David Jones c.1827 who died and they named a later son the same name, which would explain the parents names matching with the entry ~ this did happen quite a lot,

[I had 3 Catherine Elizabeth Millers, 2 George Millers and a Pritchard and a Richard Miller !]

Just a thought.

Also found this on the 1861 Census, this is probably a match to the other David Jones (with the widowed mother above):
             Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD

4095 1861 CENSUS OF RHYNDWYCLYDACH LOWER. REF.R.G.9/4095, E.D.1.                                                                    

Piece: 4095      Folio: 011     Schedule: 082

Address: CLYDACH VILLAGE        

JONES DAVID                HD M  34   SCALER TINWORKS          
                                      GLA LLANGYFELACH                 (c1827)
JONES SARAH                WI M  27   SCALERS WIFE              
                                      GLA LLANGYFELACH                 (c1834)
JONES DAVID J.             SO U   4   SCALERS SON              
                                      GLA LLANGYFELACH                 (c1857)
JONES MARY                 DA U   1   SCALERS DAUGHTER          
                                      GLA LLANGYFELACH                 (c1860)
DAVIES SARAH               SV U   9   HOUSE SERVANT            
                                      GLA LLANGYFELACH                 (c1852)

I listed this as he is also married to a Sarah, Llangyfelach could also be classed a Morriston, so this is a good possible match to the David Jones above

Hope this helps!

Regards Jen

[Jason Hotchkiss]

Wow! thanks Jen for all the information and for replying so quickly.

The first 1841 match looks right, even if my IGI match is incorrect (though David does seem to be ageing at a lower rate than the rest of his family - born on 29th Feb perhaps? )

Thanks again
Jason

[bellesaint]

Hi Jen

Can you look up on 1841, 1861 & 1871 census -

Surname Cowles, William (birthplace Mathern , Monmouthshire (1805 or 1806)

his wife Florence Cowles (not sure on maiden name) born  around 1805/6 birthplace USK.

Also can you give me any advice as I'm relatively new to family research. The above named had a son- John Milner Jenkins Cowles born 1850 Cardiff Glamorgan - was it usual or was there any special reason for people then to give their child what appear to be surnames (Milner Jenkins) for the middle names? I think there was a brother to John, Wiliam Hercules Jenkins Cowles as well- unless it was meant to be a double barrelled name it seems very unusual?

Bel

[Welsh Jen]

Hello Bel, hope you have had a nice Easter holiday. I do not have access to the 1871 Census however I have the 1841/51 & 61 and uk 1881.

I searched the 1841 disk but no luck, even looked under variants such as Coles etc. There was a N Cowles but the birth year was way out.

Same with the 1861 ~ no entries listed for the name at all.

With 1851 we have a hit!  
Here are all the entries:
2461 531 013  LLAMPHA                COW JOHN                   VR U  27    SCT -                          
2455 122 173  6 EAST TERRACE         COWLES FLORENCE            WI M  45    MON USK                        
2455 122 173  6 EAST TERRACE         COWLES JOHN M.J.           SO -   1    GLA CARDIFF                    
2455 122 173  6 EAST TERRACE         COWLES WILLIAM             HD M  45    MON MATHERN                    

& here is the specific entry:

2455 1851 CENSUS OF CARDIFF (NORTH-EAST). REF.H.O.107/2455, E.D.4B.                                                                  

Piece: 2455      Folio: 122     Schedule: 173

Address: 6 EAST TERRACE        

COWLES WILLIAM             HD M  45   ACCOUNTANT                
                                      MON MATHERN                      (c1806)
COWLES FLORENCE            WI M  45   -                        
                                      MON USK                          (c1806)
COWLES JOHN M.J.           SO -   1   -                        
                                      GLA CARDIFF                      (c1850)
REGAN CATHERINE            SV U  16   HOUSE SERVANT            
                                      IRL -                            (c1835)


It could be they moved between 1851 & 1861, or they are enumerated under the wrong spelling that I have not searched for.

With regards to the unusual names, people I have found in my research named their children after a family member (Grandfather of either Maternal or Paternal family, or a brother etc) sometimes after a deceased family member e.g: child in the family.

The names do seem unusual, Milner Jenkins, could be after the Mothers family (maternal and Paternal names) keep all the names in mind when researching, sometimes things you find initally will fit in nicely much later on. I say this especially as you are unaware as to Florence Cowles maiden name at the moment.

Give me a few days (the children are home from school so I have been a little short of time for undisturbed access to the internet!!!!) I will see if I can help you...no promises but you never know I may turn up something for you.

If you have any other information which you think may help let me know.

I will post here to let you know either way.
Take care & happy researching
You have picked a very addictive hobby!


Kindest Regards Jen