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Re: Blue Blood
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 22 October 22 00:15 BST (UK) »
"I have noticed that people in the US love themselves quite a lot ..."

Yes, My Lord, whatever you say, My Lord.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Blue Blood
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 22 October 22 08:46 BST (UK) »
Well said

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« Reply #38 on: Saturday 22 October 22 08:56 BST (UK) »

I have noticed that people in the US love themselves quite a lot with their bigger than life personalities, but many seem to have separation anxiety issues from Europe and strive to pursue their connection to Englands elite, because it is another thing to brag about.

This separation issue to many either by intent or by being lazy in their research does lead to many false ancestries littering the internet.

.....   I do need to say that many in the US are willing to take information at face value without stopping to think and question 'is that is correct?'

Yeah, those Americans and their lazy assumptions, eh?  Why can't they be more like us?

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Re: Blue Blood
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 22 October 22 11:37 BST (UK) »
It just happens.

We all have Blue Blood, some find the link to it and some do not.

I do not know how the Yanks find their own branches I have always struggled with finding any US ancestral records on Ancestry dot com for any of my Wife’s or my own family.  We have found a few but researching the US DNA Cousins is generally very hit and miss for us.

Our own Blue Blood connection was found more by chance, a Wedding of one of my ancestors was to a lady whose surname and location tied her to a family whose ancestral home was a Castle, the flood gates opened.

My Wife found her link via a visit to the local Archives and whilst researching a particular Lancastrian family we found her 3xGGP’s in the Family Tree of the family concerned.  The tree just followed the Paternal line back to the 12C but what first stood out was one of them married a Stanley, that opened the floodgates.

Me, I am more interested in one of my xGreat Uncles who was a thief and burglar who was convicted and sentenced to death not once but twice, for it to be commuted to life on a Hulk until Transportation to Oz where once his sentence was over he was not allowed to return to the UK.


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Re: Blue Blood
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 22 October 22 11:54 BST (UK) »

I have noticed that people in the US love themselves quite a lot with their bigger than life personalities, but many seem to have separation anxiety issues from Europe and strive to pursue their connection to Englands elite, because it is another thing to brag about.

This separation issue to many either by intent or by being lazy in their research does lead to many false ancestries littering the internet.

.....   I do need to say that many in the US are willing to take information at face value without stopping to think and question 'is that is correct?'

Yeah, those Americans and their lazy assumptions, eh?  Why can't they be more like us?

I am not exactly sure how to read this message, but to clarify nobody is demanding American's be more like us it is just a well researched observation of a trait that has come out of that part of the world and it is not to say that other people around the world are also culprits. By "us" I am not sure of the intent as I am not British assuming you are "in Cumbria". Every culture has pros and cons (as you will learn if you have studied tourism), but this when people are trying to undertake real research it comes across as very annoying having to filter through un-researched and unsourced family trees. There are even some in the US who I have collaborated with who are getting tired of the sheer quantity of fake ancestry coming out of that country. It seems to be a trend that volume = truth, however we should know better and check as critical self-aware thinking is a great trait to our species.

If the above message wasn't a jab, now worries, but if it was a jab about assumptions, nothing about what I have written is an assumption for I have spend many hours, days and months collaborating with others through this minefield of misinformation and the biggest issue on the main family tree sites I come across on a near daily basis is the false ancestry of many apparent gateway ancestors in the US. Many of these people are unaware of books (both old and new and where to find them) along with up to date research and formality application of any defined gateway ancestor.

A post by a user in the US about being related to Rob Roy macGregor summed this situation up perfectly: "I am related to Rob Roy macGregor, but how do I prove it". The elephant in the room is how can somebody know this as a fact without any proof. Sure ol' granny may have spun a yarn or two about some family rumour, but they key to any claim are sources and corroborating sources.

If anybody doubts what is said, I challenge them to look online at the family tree websites Ancestry.com, My Heritage, Family Tree, etc. and see it all in motion. I have recorded and calculated that about 80% of trees that I have encountered are false and I have barely touched the surface to all the trees on that site and the majority of these incorrect trees are from users in the US. If you look at the site Family Search you will see on many profiles of nobility and royalty users have added research notes like "my 12ggf". It is easy to check their lineage and all I have checked are from where? The USA. So in supporting my statement "the US love themselves quite a lot", yes this is true and they want everyone to know it. On another note most of these users who add the notes have false ancestry from an 'immigrant' who they claim a gateway ancestor without providing any sources and not even a detailed explanation to justify it. The latest I have researched tried to hitch an ancestor to a family in Scotland against formal parish records held on the site Scotlands People. Checking the records, it proved not only did the couple not have a son of that name, but the "source" given was a baptism 20 years later in Liverpool! This is by far not a one off, but a plague.

Also a shout out to username "Erato", you would be the first of my subservient minions. But while you may have been registered to this site for many years, I am relatively new and trust me when I say that finding a unique username that nobody has taken took some time! Oh and just a reminder, it is "Lord Vader".

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Re: Blue Blood
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 22 October 22 12:11 BST (UK) »
"just a well researched observation of a trait that has come out of that part of the world ....."

One seldom encounters full strength, industrial grade horse pucky of this quality and quantity but, here it is, folks.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Blue Blood
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 22 October 22 12:47 BST (UK) »
"just a well researched observation of a trait that has come out of that part of the world ....."

One seldom encounters full strength, industrial grade horse pucky of this quality and quantity but, here it is, folks.

Why the aggression and why follow this post if it stirs you up?

Lets hash this out, what do you observe out there in the researching world? What logical counter do you have to my "well researched observation" rather than trying to just throw blunt statements from the comfort of your home.

How often do you research and contribute to the global community? Do you do enough research that you can form a constructive counter opinion based on your experiences?

If one claims "horse pucky", you should be able to back it up! This is exactly the issue I have highlighed out there in the community, lots of talk and no follow up.

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Re: Blue Blood
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 22 October 22 13:10 BST (UK) »
A pet irritation is seeing someone has copied a photo from your tree to theirs stating it's someone else

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« Reply #44 on: Saturday 22 October 22 13:25 BST (UK) »
A pet irritation is seeing someone has copied a photo from your tree to theirs stating it's someone else

This is a big issue and the same for documentation uploaded. I had a person from the US try to steal my 2x Great grandfather who migrated to Australia and I had to explain that I had the documentation to support his connection to his parents in England and I helped set him on the path of his correct ancestor who was by chance a 7th or 8th cousin.

Everybody should ask permission before taking. Firstly it is the respectful thing to do and secondly by asking the question it may help confirm if it actually belongs to your ancestor.

I always ask because I want to know if they own the document/photo themselves or had sourced from elsewhere. I find it is important when archiving sources to identify as best as practically possible the origin of the source as well as source you obtained it from. It is a safe bet that most online are not properly documenting their sources and many will just use the 'save' function on say Ancestry.com.