COOPER Family

[gramal]

I'm looking for the birth date of my great grandfather, Alfred Cooper, who was born in Alderton.  All the census' show that he was born in 1869.  I have looked on 1837 online, and Ancestry.co.uk but cannot find his birth date.  Suffolk Records Office searched 1869 for me but also couldn't find anything.  London Records Office did a 3 year search (1868 to 1870) and couldn't find anything.

Can anyone help please?

Marilyn 

[Rick]

Welcome Marilyn

You seem to have done all the right things to try and find Alfred!  As it wasn't mandatory to register births until 1874, it is possible that his birth wasn't registered.

The GRO indexes at 1837 online are complete, and if you have searched 5 or 6 years either side of 1869 without success, then I fear that this may be the case with Alfred.

Rick

[Rick]

There are some births for a Alfred Robert and Alfred COOPER on FreeBMD in Woodbridge Registration District in 1868 and 1867 which includes Alderton.  Have you already checked these??  If you haven't, you could order them with the proviso that you only want them issued if the father's name is George.  You would not then be charged the full amount.

Births Jun 1868
COOPER  Alfred Robert     Woodbridge  4a 647

and another in 1867

Births Jun 1867
Cooper  Alfred     Woodbridge  4a 636

Rick

[gramal]

Many thanks for this.  I have already obtained the birth certificate for Alfred Robert born 1868 in Woodbridge, which turned out not to be the one I'm looking for.  However, I didn't know about the one born in 1967 as I couldn't find it on Ancestry.co.uk or 1837online either.  Will check it out.

Incidentally, his father was George, how did you already know that?

Once again, many thanks.

Marilyn

[Rick]

Marilyn

I'd like to be able to tell you that I'm pyschic, but I just checked the family out on the 71 census.

Rick

[Bryant]

Hello Marilyn

Can you display the 1871 in all its glory for us........

Did you find his parents marriage.........when and where?

Have you got them in 1861/1851?

 
Bryant

[gramal]

Hello Bryant

the 1871 census shows the Cooper family as:
George 1823 Shottisham (my great, great grandfather)
Harriet do 1833 Bawdsey
George do 1856 Alderton
William do 1857 Alderton
Ellen do 1859 Alderton
James do 1861 Alderton
Lillie do 1864 Alderton
Harry 1868 Alderton
Alfred do 1869 Alderton (my great grandfather)

They lived at Crown Beck House Cottages, Alderton.  George was a Shoemaker

They are also on the 1861 census as:
George 1829 Shottisham
Harriet 1833 Bawdsey
Mary 1855 Bawdsey
George Edward 1856 Bawdsey
William 1857 Bawdsey
Ellen Agusta 1859 Alderton
Henry Arthur 1860 Alderton

Living in Alderton Street, Alderton

However on the 1851 Census, George is listed as being born 1828 in Ramsholt, and he was living in Castle Street, Woodbridge, with the Cook family as a Shoemaker.

George married Harriet Wright on 12 May 1854 in Woodbridge.

On the marriage certificate George's father was Edward Cooper deceased. 

I would like to know who George's mother was and whether he had any siblings.  I've come to a dead end now that George was not living with his parents in 1841.

Regards
Marilyn


 

[Bryant]

Marilyn

You have the 1851 census........can you display this as well, including all within the house!

Their are 11 George Cooper's in Suffolk in 1841 between the ages of 15-20 (1841 census rule..... 15-20=15)

In 1841 at Shottisham, Suffolk their is only one Cooper...........
WILLIAM FOX  65  BUTCHER   Y
SUSAN       "    60                    Y
SARAH       "     30                   Y
EMMA         "    20                    Y
FRANCES COOPER  70             Y         (female)
CHARLES LADBURY  30             N
ELIZA            "         25            Y
CHARLES       "         19 mnths  N
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In 1841 the best fit George Cooper is.......
Bredfield Street, Woodbridge
JAMES COOPER  73 LAB    Y
GEORGE    "        18   "      Y
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*RAMSHOLT, ALDERTON, BAWDSEY AND SHOTTISHAM YOU CAN WRAP UP IN A 2 MILE CIRCLE/THEY BORDER ONE ANOTHER............WOODBRIDGE IS ABOUT 5 MILES NORTH OF SHOTTISHAM WHICH IS THE FURTHEST NORTH OF THE CIRCLE.

Regards
Bryant

[Bryant]

1841
MARTELLO TOWER ? STREET, BAWDSEY, SUFFOLK
ISAAC WRIGHT  35 AG LAB    Y
HANNAH    "       35                Y
WILLIAM   "        10                Y
HARRIET    "         9                 Y
HANNAH    "         6                  Y
SARAH       "         4                 Y
JAMES        "         1                 Y
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I'm not exactly sure if the Wright's live in Martello Tower Street, it just says Street (I wonder if the Martello Tower is still there?) however going back and forth on pages I believe it is?..........................................
a couple of pages away this family appear to live next door to the Star Inn which is in Martello Tower Street....I wonder if the Star Inn is still there?

1841..........HO107/1041/2
EDWARD COOPER  40 SHOPKEEPER  Y
MARY          "           30                       Y
ELLEN         "           12                       Y
HARRIET      "           11                       Y
ALFRED       "            8                        Y
BETSEY       "             1                        Y
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* and he is the only Edward Cooper in Bawdsey, Suffolk*

Regards
Bryant