Carrickmore baptism look up please, Ellen White/ also Ellison Carrickmore

[Carol Mack]

Wolud anyone be able to tell me if a Ellen White was baptised in Carrickmore around 1860? Her father would have been George White - I have no idea who her mother was. There might be a brother George. Ellen was my grandmother.

I have been previously looking for her in Drumragh but now have a good lead to Carrickmore.

Thanks, Carol.

I now know for certain that Ellen had a sister Mary Jane White who became Mrs. Ellison and that she lived in Carrickmore.
Perhaps its the Ellison connection that is in Carrickmore and the Whites come from somewhere else. There is also a Maggie Ellison mentioned - daughter?

Oh well, on with the searching!!!!!

Note: various topics looking for same person merged

[Carol Mack]

I'm back again, still trying to find exactly where my Grandmother (Ellen White) came from!!! I have had various theories but have come back again to Carrickmore.

I visited the C.of I. there in July and lo and behold there is an Ellison grave there, George, Martha and their daughter Mary Jane. Now I know Mary Jane Ellison was my Grandmothers neice so Martha must have been my grandmother's sister. Does anyone know anything of this family?

My grandmother was Ellen White, father George White a farmer, and now I think she had a sister Martha. She was born about 1855-60.

The Ellisons seem to have been a prominent family in the area but very little on the Whites. Some of the books were missing so I couldn't look up all I wanted to.

If anyone can help I would be very grateful.

Regards, Carol.

[GRANAGH]

Hello Carol,
I have done some amateur research into the Ellisons of Tyrone as I'm an Ellison myself.  Perhaps the following may be of some use to you?
The ones you mention are not related to me, although both branches were Anglicans (C.o.I.)  The 1901 census records Martha and her husband George Ellison as living in Athenree townland, Termonmagurk Parish, but it says that both were born in Co. Donegal. 
The 1860 Householders List (Griffiths) records only one Ellison in Termonmagurk in 1860 and that was an Andrew Ellison of Bracky.  But I can assure you that he was a Presbyterian and was related to Ellisons living in the Sixmilecross area.
However all George and Martha's children were born in Tyrone and the census lists them as John, 19yrs; Mary Jane 17yrs; Thomas 15yrs; Maggie 13yrs; and Nellie 10yrs:

Happy hunting.

Brian Ellison
 

[Carol Mack]

Brian,
Many thanks for that -  its great to get this information! I knew about Mary Jane Ellison and I knew there was a Nellie somewhere in there as I found her and 'Mrs G White' (obviousaly Martha) signing the Covenant. The rest I didn't know about.

The Donegal connection is very interesting! On the 1901 census my grandmother says she was born in Donegal and as I suspect Martha Ellison was her sister that would make sense. But the family history centre in Donegal cannot find any Whites who fit the bill and the family always said 'granny was born in Carrickmore' So the mystery deepens!!

I think I need to look for Whites around the 1860's in the Carrickmore area and see if a George White had daughters Martha and Ellen.

All the best and thanks again,
Carol.

[GRANAGH]

Hello again Carol,

You may be looking in the wrong place for 1860s Carrickmore Whites.

The 1901 Irish Census for Tyrone has been indexed on micofiche by a worthy researcher, and my quick search this morning indicates that there were only two Whites/Whytes in Termonmagurk in 1901.  One was a Sarah White, a 50 yr old widow living in Copney townland, who may or may not be one of your bunch.  However the other individual is, I'm sure, one of yours.  She was an Emilie A. White, a 38 yr old C.o.I. spinster living in Athenree townland, but the curious thing about her is that her place of birth is recorded as 'England'.

You may get a lead at 'findmypast.com', the England GRO website.

I'm not suggesting that the Whites were English, at least not 19th century English, but they may have left Ulster, spent a while in England and then returned.  However, Carrickmore may not be where they came from originally.  The 1860s Household List (Griffith's) records only one 'White' (Michael) living in Cooley, a townland some distance from Athenree/Carrickmore.

What I'm saying is - if your are looking for a George White then be prepared to cast your net a little further than just Termonmagurk.  Every Irish family had a faction who emigrated to other continents, but those that stayed weren't entirely sedentary.  In the space of 80 years my own Ellisons migrated from Sixmilecross, through Clogherny, Killeeshil and Carnteel Parishes, almost within a short walk of Co. Monaghan.


Brian

[Carol Mack]

Hello Brian,
I was delighted to hear from you again - you are the first person to come up with a White! Emilie is almost certainly Granny's sister! Do you have any idea who she was living with in 1901?

Your theory about England is almost certainly correct - we cannot find them in Donegal although there is a connection. Ellen was given a Bible (which I have) by a Mrs. Stewart of Killindarough in 1878. Now we have traced Killindarough to Donegal and the Heritage Centre found Mrs. Stewart, wife of a doctor. Ellen may have been in service as a very young girl but I believe the 'big family' in the Carrickmore area was also Stewart,
and were also friends of the Hamiltons of Ballintra where Ellen was a maid until she married my grandfather, John Mcvitty in 1881. I think there could be a connection, but the Bible puts her in Donegal as a young girl.

These old folk lead us a merry dance!! I'll keep looking further afield as you suggest.

Regards for now,

Carol.

[GRANAGH]

Hello Carol,

I'm pleased to hear that I've been of some small help.

The info re Emilie A. White came from the census index, but I'll be looking at the full census within the next week and I'll check to see who she was living with, if anyone.

I had some credits left over from a previous search at findmypast.com and being in a 'use them or lose them' situation I did a search for Emilie.

We know she claimed to be 38 in March 1901 so I did a search of the period 1861-1863.  There were hundreds of Emily Whites, and dozens of Emilia Whites, but there was only one Emilie Annie White and her birth was registered in the Loughborough district of Leicestershire during the April-June quarter of 1862.  Should you ever want to order her birth certificate the important ref. no. is 7a, 136.

Just on the off chance that her family had been in England for several years previous to her birth, I checked the 1861 English Census. (The search filters allow you to search for 'Whites' of Irish birth living in Leicestershire).

I eliminated those that were too old, too young or too far away from Loughborough and was left with only one family who may or may not be relevant.

They were the fairly properous family of Frank White, 35 yrs, born Leicestershire; his wife Sarah, 26 years born Ireland; Frank junior, 2 yrs, born Ireland; and baby Clara E. 1yr, born Loughborough.

Frank senior is described as a 'General House Master employing 30 hands' and could afford 4 servants, faithful old Mary Maquire 63 yrs, born Ireland, plus 3 local girls.

Unfortunately we cannot look for young Frank's birth in Ireland because the registration of births only began here in 1864.  But it might be interesting to check the marriages (registration began 1845) to see if a Francis/Frank White married in Ireland in the period 1855-58.

If you think that search is worth doing I'll have a go, but it may not be until after Christmas.

Regards

Brian

 

[GRANAGH]

Hi Carol,

This is just a postscript to my last email.

I should have acknowledged that your g-grandfather was George White and therefore the family in Loughborough could not be your grandmother's.
However, you have to entertain the possibility that Emilie A. White of Athenree/Looghborough was not your grandmother's sister, although they may have been related in some other way.

Alternatively, I might well be barking up the wrong tree altogether!

Brian

[Carol Mack]

Brian,

I am verry sorry that it has taken me until now to acknowledge and thank you for all your hard work on my behalf! I am going to send for Emilie's birth cert. and see what it shows.

The Family History centre in Ramelton mentioned a George White in Donegal but, concentrating on Carrickmore, I didn't give it a lot of consideration. Now I cant find their report! When I do I will try to find out more about him.

Until the next time,

Carol.