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Offline lucretia666

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« on: Wednesday 09 November 05 09:12 GMT (UK) »
hi all,

need help! i have two men in my tree george and joseph glue who were sent to sydney as convicts i have details about the passenger list and the rest of the stuff, but my question is......

how do you find out what they were convicted of?? is there anyway of finding this out??

many thanks all

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luc666
peters, ware, wright, glue, glew, elgie, tippins, phillips, cockram, harding,

Offline riccoh

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Re: convicts
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 09:52 GMT (UK) »
Check this link out

http://www.convictcentral.com/index.html

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Riccoh

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Re: convicts
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 10:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

GLEW, George. Per "Atlas", 1819 (Also known as GLUE)
(From Colonial Secretary Papers)

If you have the Convict Indent, it will say were he was charged. If it was in the London area, his trial may have been held at the Old Bailey.

Otherwise it will be the local county quarter sessions or assizes.

The Old Bailey does have a George GLUE charged with Simple Grand Larceny 6 Sept 1832 (too late for your guy probably). He was imprisoned for 6 months. There are no references to his brother Joseph, so it looks like it may have been a county court.

(Did he possibly come from Rogate, Sussex? - just a guess - found brothers George and Joseph Glue or Glew - sons of Thomas and Ann on "familysearch")

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Di
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Re: convicts
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 10:42 GMT (UK) »
hi all,

thanks for the info, shall give it a go!
thanks lady di, i wasnt sure how they fitted into the tree, you have just solved it for me.... bless you!!!

many thanks

luc666
peters, ware, wright, glue, glew, elgie, tippins, phillips, cockram, harding,


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Re: convicts
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 10 November 05 01:39 GMT (UK) »
I just found the entry for George Glue in the 1828 census.

Glew, George, aged 25, Free by servitude, Atlas, 1828, 7 years, Protestant, Occupation: Nailor, Residing Market Street, Sydney.

Glew, Mary, aged 25, born in colony, Protestant.

No sign of Joseph.  He may have been convicted later.  The year of arrival given in the census is probably incorrect.

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Leonie
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Re: convicts
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 10 November 05 01:45 GMT (UK) »
The 1823-1823 Muster states:

Glew, George, Convict, Atlas, 1819, 7 years, Govt Employ Carters Barracks, Sydney

Again no Joseph.

Leonie
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Re: convicts
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 10 November 05 01:50 GMT (UK) »
The Atlas arrived in Sydney on 19 Oct 1819 having sailed from Gravesend on 10 June 1819.  There was only one fatality amongst the convicts during the voyage.
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Re: convicts
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 November 05 02:01 GMT (UK) »
Confusingly there are two marriage records for George in 1826:

Glew, Thomas G  m.  Morrison, Mary
Church: St Phillip's Church of England, Sydney
Ref:  V18263746 3B/1826

Glew, George m. Morrison, Mary
Church: St Jame's Church of England, Sydney
Ref:  V1826168 10/1826

I can'f find any children of this marriage.

The most likely birth and death records for Mary are:
Born: 1804 Mary H. Morrison - (ref: V180497 5/1804) Parents: George and Mary)
Died: 1856 Maitland - aged 52 ( ref:  2301/1856)
There are a couple of other possibilities but these are the most likely.

I found some children of Joseph and Harriett Glue in the 1840s - this is most likely when Joseph was transported out.

Leonie
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Re: convicts
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 November 05 02:06 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately none of my digging has uncovered the ship's muster and indent, which usually contained the date and place of trial.  The only way I've found to get this is to go to the Mitchell Library and look at their microfilm records. 

Leonie
(was 'spunkymungbeans') Price (Bristol), Pow (Scotland), Neilson (Scotland), Cooper (Yorkshire), Laister (Yorkshire/Nottingham/Lincolnshire)
Lookups:  NSW & Norfolk Musters to 1828; Rookwood Cemetery and Woronora Cemetery transcriptions and grave photographs - post at Australian Emigrants board