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Re: Marriage lookup Batham/Champlovier
« Reply #18 on: Friday 17 August 07 05:05 BST (UK) »
 :)Hi, I'm new to this site. being in  Australia makes it difficult to trace ancestors beyond the censuses on line. My brother still in England has helped a lot. My grandfather was George Batham b1866. I have only found him in the 1881 census where he is listed at the Boy's Brigade and no mother is given. 1901 census he is married to Sarah Burris  He may be the son of George Batham b.1835 and Jane Phillips, But since they married in 1871 after the birth of 3 children I am a bit doubtful. George b1835 was the son of William and Mary, who I assume was Champolovier . Before that I have Christopher Batham, married Sarah Steele 1785 who may be the parents of William. Can any one help me confirm that what I have is correct. Roy
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Re: Marriage lookup Batham/Champlovier
« Reply #19 on: Friday 17 August 07 07:41 BST (UK) »
Hello Aussie Roy

Welcome to rootschat.......

First up.........best to start your own post! i'm sure Jack B doesn't mind but it does get a bit confusing

Anyway......your George (from the 1881 census) appears to be born GEORGE E BATHAM .... March qtr... 1866...Kensington  ..... vol 1a....page 81

Here is George & family in 1871 & 1861 + some extras

1871
5 THOMAS STREET, KENSINGTON, ST JOHN & ST JAMES, MIDDX
GEORGE BAYHAAN   HEAD  34  BRICKLAYER   KENSINGTON, MIDDX
JANE            "          WIFE   30                        CHELSEA,          "
EMILY J        "          DAUR     7                             "                  "
GEORGE       "          SON       5                       KENSINGTON,    "
GEORGE HAMMOND nephew 16 LAB                          "
AMELIA BAYHAAN     DAUR     6 WEEK                         "
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GEORGE BATHAM was born Dec qtr 1839....Kensington...vol 3...page 240

AMELIA BATHAM born... March qtr...1871...Kensington...vol 1a...page 155

*always nice to find a nephew  :)

1861
THOMAS STREET, ST MARY ABBOTS KENSINGTON, MIDDX
MARY BATHAM  HEAD (WID) 66 LAUNDRESS   LONDON
GEORGE   "       SON            21 BRICKLAYER                      , MIDDX
EMMA TASH  ?   grandaur 10                                                "
JOHN HAMMOND grandson  6                                                  "
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*transcribed as TASH ......... very difficult to read but doubt it is Tash?

* now where have I seen that name Hammond before  ;D

LOUISA BATHAM married JOHN POTTER HAMMOND in the Dec qtr of 1854.... Kensington....vol 1a.....page 89
the cert would give you Louisa's father's name and occupation....£ 7-00 online in England.....somewhat different in Oz?

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Researching names BRYANT (Camberwell), PASTERFIELD (Essex and all), RAY (Holborn/Islington areas back to Brentford), POWELL (Glouc & beyond?)
Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area).


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Re: Marriage lookup Batham/Champlovier
« Reply #20 on: Friday 17 August 07 10:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks Bryant
being new here I'm not sure how to start my own post.
Having exhausted all avenues on the Batham side  I thought I'd have a look at Mary Champolovier. So I put Champolovier in the google search. Can you imagine my surprise when it came up with  this site. My brother had already found her and a connection to Ardeche in France. We speculated that her parents may have been refugees from the French Revolution, but no evidence of this. On the other hand Champolovier may have been a common surname in England from the time of the Hugenots 15 & 1600's, It would be interesting to find out.

I'm not sure what you mean "always nice to find a cousin" All my uncles are long gone. My father was Charles Batham 1908 - 1967. he  had brothers George and Alfred and sister Emily, all names which recur through generations.  Nice to talk to you . Roy
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Re: Marriage lookup Batham/Champlovier
« Reply #21 on: Friday 17 August 07 10:33 BST (UK) »
Aussie Roy/Jack B

It appears you two are related........ROY...if you go to one of Jack's replies (Jacoby28) and press on his name you will get the option of sending him a personal PM (a message that no-one else can see) where you can discuss the family offline)

from reply 13 of this post....written by Jack B

Aug 30 1837 Charles  Boy  Father Christopher William Batham of Notting Dale Kensington.    Mother  Mary Batham late Champlover
Father's Occupation  Pig Dealer.    Informant Mary Batham Notting Dale Kensington , mother of child.

Oct 23 1839  George, Boy  Father William Batham.  Mother Mary Batham formerly Champlover.   Fathers Occupation Locksmith.   Informant Mary Batham ,mother.  Potteries.

Death Cert  
12 Dec 1853 William Batham Male  67 years Pig Dealer  Informant Mary Harrington present at death  Potteries Kensington.

*the always nice to find a nephew referred to an additional name to trace.....ie when the name was spelt BAYHAAN on the census their was an element of doubt.... with the nephew's name (and a little bit of research) it proved conclusively that we was looking at the right family

Regards
Bryant

Researching names BRYANT (Camberwell), PASTERFIELD (Essex and all), RAY (Holborn/Islington areas back to Brentford), POWELL (Glouc & beyond?)
Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area).


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Re: Marriage lookup Batham/Champlovier
« Reply #22 on: Friday 17 August 07 11:11 BST (UK) »
Roy

If your paternal grandfather was born 1866 (mine was born 1878) that must make you really old  ;) well Jack reckons he has the typing skills of the average 80 year old (personally I think he types like a man of much younger years  :) ) .........anyway for me that puts you two in the same ball park!

this site is the best around for genealogy and it's free .........and you can have some fun participating while doing your research and helping others. Take a good look at the various topics on the site, you will be amazed at the expertise of some of these people.......

and he also thinks I have a way with words.......not quite sure what he means by that  ::)

Below is a bit of information I missed first time round........neighbours of Mary Batham and her son George are..............

1861
THOMAS STREET, ST MARY ABBOTS KENSINGTON, MIDDX
MARY BATHAM  HEAD (WID) 66 LAUNDRESS   LONDON
GEORGE   "       SON            21 BRICKLAYER                      , MIDDX
EMMA TASH  ?   grandaur 10                                                "
JOHN HAMMOND grandson  6                                                  "

same street in 1861

1861
THE VICTORIA BEER SHOP, THOMAS STREET, ST MARY ABBOTS KENSINGTON, MIDDX
EDWARD BATHAM   HEAD  26 BRICKLAYER  NOTTING HILL, MIDDX
MARY           "          WIFE  26                                             HERTS
EDWARD      "          SON    6                       NOTTING DALE, MIDDX
MARY            "         DAUR   3                                "
GEORGE       "          SON     7 MONTHS                 "
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Below is part of reply 13 from Jack

Census 1851
Parish Kensington    Address  131 Potteries or Notting Dale.
William BATHAM  Head  66 Journeyman whitesmith born St Martins
Mary       ''     ''    Wife   56                                         ''      St Giles
George    ''    ''    Son    12  Assistant                        ''      Kensington
Edward   ''    ''    Son     ?       ''    ''                            ''         ''    ''

On my copy Edward's age is hard to read.
On marriage Cert of Edward  to Mary Harrington in 1858  his  father is shown as Christopher William Batham  Locksmith and Bellhanger.
On marriage Cert of Louisa Batham in 1854  resident in Potteries her father is shown as William Christopher  deceased.
Kensington....Potteries and Notting Dale are the same place.

For what it's worth , in the Westminster Polltax returns for 1796,  a William Batham  Locksmith of Peter Street is listed.  This is probably in the right area for  St Giles  and St Martins  origins of my William and Mary.   

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Researching names BRYANT (Camberwell), PASTERFIELD (Essex and all), RAY (Holborn/Islington areas back to Brentford), POWELL (Glouc & beyond?)
Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area).


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Re: Marriage lookup Batham/Champlovier
« Reply #23 on: Friday 17 August 07 12:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Bryant. What makes you think I'm old?  My granddad born 1866 was 52 when my dad was born 1908. I was born 1939 which makes me 68. old but not ancient. Roy
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Re: Marriage lookup Batham/Champlovier
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 18 August 07 07:37 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Bryant on Friday 17 August 07 10:33 BST (UK)
Aussie Roy/Jack B

It appears you two are related........ROY...if you go to one of Jack's replies (Jacoby28) and press on his name you will get the option of sending him a personal PM (a message that no-one else can see) where you can discuss the family offline)

It turns out that Jack B and I are related. he from Edward, me from George, sons of William and Mary. We are both stuck on their marriage. My resources are limited here in W.A but if anyone can find a connection to Christopher Batham = Sarah Steele  married 1775, I think we both will be grateful. it's the last lead I have. Roy
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Re: Marriage lookup Batham/Champlovier
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 18 August 07 07:58 BST (UK) »
Christopher Batham = Sarah Steele
27 Aug 1785
Old Church
St Pancras
London

The only child showing to this couple is:
Frances Edward Batham
b 13 Feb 1788
chr 30 Mar 1788
St Mary
St Marylebone Rd
St Marylebone
London

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Re: Marriage lookup Batham/Champlovier
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 18 August 07 08:07 BST (UK) »
There appear to be several suitable Sarah Steele births on the IGI in the Greater London area, but I can't see a suitable Christopher Batham birth in London. May he have come from elsewhere?
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