Marriage lookup Batham/Champlovier

[CatOne]

Did find this family in 1841 (transcribed "Champlman")

1841 HO107/673/19 Folio 5 Page 2
Great St Andrews St West Side, St Giles North, St Giles in the Field, Middlesex
Peter Champlover 65 Edge Tool Maker Y
Mary 40 N
Thos 15 Edge Tool Maker Y
Elizth 13 Y
Jacob 7 Y
Peter 5 Y
Fredk 2 Y

Regards
Catherine

[jacoby28]

Thank you Catherine.....
Looks very much as though they all originated  in St Giles.    Means a trip to the LMA,  which I've been putting off for ages.   Devon was nice anyway!             
Regards.................Jack  B

[jacoby28]

Catherine et al,
  Whoops!   I do apologise.............It's this  ageing thing.


Jack B

[Bryant]

Jack B

I'm trying to get a picture/build a family of Champlovier (variants) to find your Mary who married William Batham pre 1837!

now............we know that

Did find this family in 1841 (transcribed "Champlman")

1841 HO107/673/19 Folio 5 Page 2
Great St Andrews St West Side, St Giles North, St Giles in the Field, Middlesex
Peter Champlover 65 Edge Tool Maker Y
Mary 40 N
Thos 15 Edge Tool Maker Y
Elizth 13 Y
Jacob 7 Y
Peter 5 Y
Fredk 2 Y

Regards
Catherine

1861
3&4 COAL YARD, ST GILES, LONDON, MIDDX
MARY CHAMPELOVIER   HEAD  56 (WID)  LAUNDRESS    CORSHAM, WILTSHIRE
JAMES        "                  SON    26 porter to a club house       ST GILES, MIDDX
FREDERICK "                     "      22 hammerman to a blacksmith     "
FRANCIS     "                     "      16 apprentice to a bookbinder       "
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*FREDERICK was born March qtr of 1839 Bloomsbury

AND............we know that a Henry Champlover is around as well.....
although you have given us the 1851 and not the 1841.......if it was the 1841 it would be the only one in existence to give relationships and place of birth!

Parish  Kensington (part of)
Ecclesiastic District  St James (part of)
Street name   Potteries or Notting Dale
1851 CENSUS
HENRY CHAMPLOVER  Head M  48   General Dealer   Mdx St Giles
ELIZABETH DO            Wife       46                             Wilts Cosham
CHARLES    DO            Son       26   Cattle Dealer      MdxClerkenwell
JAMES        DO            Son        26   Labourer             ''        ''     ''
JOHN         DO             Son       16        ''     ''               ''     Potteries
HENRY       DO            Son        11        ''     ''               ''          ''
GEORGE    DO             Son        7                                ''          ''
JANE          DO             Dau       4                                 ''         ''

The census reference remains the same HO107/1468/611/48  and it is 1841.

*Henry aged 11 appears to be born HENRY CHAMPELOVIER in the Sept qtr of 1839 within the registration district of Kensington
This birth cert would hopefully give you where they was living in the later part of 1839........would they have still been there in 1841?

SO..........we have Peter in 1841 and for love or money we can't find Henry in 1841............but those we see in 1861 trace back to one or tuther

I think I will try the Batham's              

Where do you last see them.........on a Batham birth cert, or on the 1841/1851 census

Bryant

[jacoby28]

Hello Bryant
Birth certs first:-
Aug 30 1837 Charles  Boy  Father Christopher William Batham of Notting Dale Kensington.    Mother  Mary Batham late Champlover
 Father's Occupation  Pig Dealer.    Informant Mary Batham Notting Dale Kensington , mother of child.

Oct 23 1839  George, Boy  Father William Batham.  Mother Mary Batham formerly Champlover.   Fathers Occupation Locksmith.   Informant Mary Batham ,mother.  Potteries.

Death Cert 
 12 Dec 1853 William Batham Male  67 years Pig Dealer  Informant Mary Harrington present at death  Potteries Kensington.

Mary Harrington Later married   Edward above.

Death Cert
 20 Jun 1870 at 8 Thomas Place Potteries  Mary Batham 76  Widow of William Batham  Locksmith.

Census 1851

Parish Kensington    Address  131 Potteries or Notting Dale.

William BATHAM  Head  66 Journeyman whitesmith born St Martins
Mary       ''     ''    Wife   56                                         ''      St Giles
George    ''    ''    Son    12  Assistant                        ''      Kensington
Edward   ''    ''    Son     ?       ''    ''                            ''         ''    ''

On my copy Edward's age is hard to read.

On marriage Cert of Edward  to Mary Harrington in 1858  his  father is shown as Christopher William Batham  Locksmith and Bellhanger.
 On marriage Cert of Louisa Batham in 1854  resident in Potteries her father is shown as William Christopher  deceased.
Kensington....Potteries and Notting Dale are the same place.

For what it's worth , in the Westminster Polltax returns for 1796,  a William Batham  Locksmith of Peter Street is listed.  This is probably in the right area for  St Giles  and St Martins  origins of my William and Mary.


Regards................Jack B

[CatOne]

Pallots Marriage Index -

Hy Champelovier   c  St Giles Cripplegate 1827

May Elizth  s


Regards
Catherine

[jacoby28]

 Thank you Catherine,
     That was swift, and interestingly  ties up St Giles very nicely.  Food for more thought.    Much appreciated

Regards...........jack B

[Bryant]

Tried to find him in the directories to no avail...............

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/findbylocation.asp

and I couldn't find the places/streets called Potteries or Notting Dale in 1841

 

Bryant

[jacoby28]

Bryant,
  If you enter Notting Dale into  Google,  hit the first map , enlarge it then look just to the north of Holland Park Rd you will find Princes St. ... Potteries La is an extension.  Most of the old area was pulled down years ago,  and there were brickfields just to the east of the railway line.  An interesting site is the next one listed on Google,  it gives some of the history of the place.

Jack B