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Offline PeterW

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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #9 on: Friday 24 March 06 22:00 GMT (UK) »
Dear Barbara,

The information that you have is consistant with what I know about this family tree. "Shaton" is a variant spelling that I have not seen before in my research.

I would be grateful if you could post any information that you have related to Richard Trathen (son of Thomas Trathen and Margaret Simons) of Phillack.

Peter :)

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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #10 on: Friday 24 March 06 22:33 GMT (UK) »
Descendants of Richard Trathan


   1.  Richard Trathan  (son of Thomas and Margaret) was baptized January 29, 1815 in Troon, Phillack, Cornwall, England, and buried August 11, 1869 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England. 

He married (1) Elizabeth Murley Charleston February 19, 1839 in St Erth, Cornwall, England (1 below), daughter of John Charleston and Alice.  She was baptized December 18, 1817 in St Erth, Cornwall, England (online index of St Erth church records -- accessible through GENUKI page) and was buried June 15, 1858 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England (also from the online index of St Erth register). 

He married (2) Elizabeth Matthews, widow,  January 10, 1859 in St Erth, Cornwall, England (2 below), daughter of William Woolcock [and Elizabeth Matthews].  She was baptized December 13, 1812 in Crowan, Cornwall, England.
   
Children of Richard Trathan and Elizabeth Charleston are:
   2   i.   Thomas Trathan, baptized September 29, 1839 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England; buried March 08, 1856 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England. (burial record in St Erth index online). On the 1851 census.
   3   ii.   John Trathan, baptized September 14, 1841 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England; buried September 06, 1843 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England. (both baptism and burial records in St Erth index online)
   4   iii.   Elizabeth Ann Trathan, born 1843. (no record of her baptism that I can find, but she is on the 1851 census at Bridge Cellar, St Erth (page 3, household 12) as Elizabeth Ann, age 8, daughter.
   5   iv.   Samuel Trathan, born apparently March 1843 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England; No baptismal record found, but his burial record lists him as 16 months old when he was buried July 14, 1844 in St Erth, Cornwall, England. (see burial index)
   6   v.   Margaret Ann Trathan, born 1845 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England; died October 23, 1845 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England.  (This doesn't make sense to me because while I didn't find a baptism for her, she is in the census as a 6 year old in 1851, though it lists a "burial" in 1845.  It seems possible that the indexer OR the actual record (which I have not examined yet) could have erroneously put her birth in the burial section.)
   7   vi.   Richard John Trathan, born 1846; (again, I did not find a baptism for Richard, but he was 1 when he was buried May 03, 1847 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England. (see St Erth burial indexes online)
   8   vii.   Prudence Trathan, baptized May 29, 1847 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England; buried December 10, 1849 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England. (both these are listed in the online index of St Erth)
   9   viii.   Mary Anna Trathan, baptized June 04, 1849 in St Erth, Cornwall, England; buried January 07, 1861 in St Erth, Cornwall, England. (She is listed as Mary Hannah in her burial record, age 11.  In the 1851 census, she is Mary H(l), age 2.
   10   ix.   Richard Trathan, baptized September 02, 1851 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England; buried November 04, 1851 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England.
   11   x.   Prudence Trathan, baptized March 04, 1854.
   12   xi.   Annie Trathan, baptized December 22, 1855 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England; died March 28, 1856 in St  Erth, Cornwall, England.

Endnotes:
1.  For Richard's first marriage: St Erth Parish records: marriages: P 18, # 36,   19 Feb 1839, Richard Straton , full age, bachelor, labourer, St Erth, son of Thomas Shaton, labourer, to Elizabeth Murley Charleston, spinster, St Erth, dau of John Charleston, labourer, wit: Samuel Trevaskis and Mary Anne Hayes. (this I have verified on the microfilm from the LDS family history library.  While it was indexed Shaton, it looks like Straton to me.)
2.  For Richard's second marriage:  St Erth Parish records,, P 166, # 332, 10 January 1859, Richard Trathan, widower, of Churchtown [St Erth], 46, labourer, son of Thomas Trathan, labourer, to Elizabeth Matthews, widow, of Churchtown [St Erth], 45, dau of William Woolcock, miner.  by Frederick Hockin, rector of Phillack.  Wit: The sign of Stephen [X] Woolcock, James Rogers. (this I have also verified on the microfilm from the LDS family history library).

While Richard's age is a little 'off' I am sure this is the same man.  He is in the census of 1861 as well, but died in 1869 "age 56."

I have kept a standardized spelling, Trathan, because that is the way it was clearest on the census and on the second marriage record.  The index to St Erth has it a variety of ways -- including Stratton, Traton, Trathen, etc.   As it's online you can check it yourself (just do searches for 'tra' or 'tre'  or "Richard" and scroll through the options.  I may have missed Samuel because I wasn't creative enough!

I don't know what became of any of the children who survived (seems like only one or two may have).  I have not found the family (or what was left of it) in 1871, but I haven't looked very hard, either.

Good luck!

ps: I did notice that there seemed to be considerable inter-marrying between Woolcocks and Matthewses.  As even the Woococks are peripheral to me (and the Matthews do not figure in, either) I haven't pursued them very far.  But I think there are a lot of inter-relationships that I just haven't discovered yet.

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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 25 March 06 00:38 GMT (UK) »
Peter,

In the 1861 census of St Erth, again at Bridge Cellars (but creatively written by the census taker as "Santtaan" for a surname, we have:
Richard, 48, born at Phillack, an ag lab, his wife, Elizabeth, also 48, born at Crowan [this would have been the former Elizabeth Woolcock Matthews], born Crowan, Elizabeth, 19, daughter, born St Erth,  Levinia, 14, daughter, born Crowan, Thomas, 12, son, born Crowan, and Prudence, 9, daughter, born St Erth. 

This implies, I would guess, that Elizabeth and Prudence are Richard's children by his first wife, Elizabeth (Charleston), who are pretty much the only two who didn't die young, and the other two, Levinia and Thomas, while listed as "Santtaan" are actually Levinia and Thomas Matthews, children of Elizabeth, by her first marriage. 

And in fact a perusal of the IGI verifies that -- Lavinia was baptized 3 October, 1847 and Thomas 28 June 1850 to Thomas and Elizabeth Matthews. There is, in fact, an older daughter, Emma, baptized 5 October 1845. 

Thomas and Elizabeth were married 3 November 1844.  [Crowan Parish Register, marriage record, p 114, # 227, Thomas Matthews, of full age, bachelor, miner, of Crowan, father: Peter Matthews, miner
Elizabeth Woolcock, of full age, spinster, of Crowan, father: William, miner]

In the 1871 census Lavinia. 23, is still at Bridge Cellars, married to George Hodge [son of Robert; they were married 24 March 1870 in St Erth according to the online index].  Living with them is "Prudence Tratten", a "relative," age 19. 

Also in 1871, Thomas Matthews, 22, born Crowan, has moved to Bury, Lancashire [living in North Bury, District 17, at 23 Wash Lane -- St Pauls Ecclesiastical District, Bury Civil District], where he is living with his wife, Caroline, 24, born in Sithney, his mother, Elizabeth Tratten, 57, widow, born Crowan, and several boarders.  Thomas is an iron foundry labourer.

Their marriage was likely bet Apr-Jun 1869 in Bury, Lancs as there is one registered there in the June quarter 1869 between a Thomas Matthews and a Caroline Richards.

I have not found Elizabeth, Richard's oldest daughter, yet.  Nor have I found any reference to a marriage of Prudence Trathan so far. 

Hope this is of some use in filling out the family.

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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 26 March 06 03:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Barbara,

Thank you for taking the time to post so much information. I can see what you were saying about the poor survival rate of Richard and Margaret Trathan's children, 2 out of 11!.

I'll be adding these names to my research file for future reference.


Peter  ;D


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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 26 March 06 10:47 BST (UK) »
Dear Peter
I just found your reply to one of my very early messages (2001)on Geneology.com.  I am a Trathen and was born in Hayle and still live in the area, and my father and grandfather and greatgrandfather were all born in either Phillack or Copperhouse, Hayle. I haven't had time to look at my family history research for quite a while but will certainly dig out my files and see what I have. Ironically - even though I was 'born and bred' there I have very scant information about my greatgrandfather Robert Trathen who must have been born around 1895-1905, so I am never sure which branch of the family I come from.
I also know some of the Uren's of Lelant but never knew there was a family connection between the two families!
Very best
J

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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 11 April 06 10:29 BST (UK) »
Hello - Just found your posting (I'm a new member!) re Trathens of Phillack. I am Mike Trathen, the great-great-grandson of Thomas Trathen who features (aged 46) in the 1861 census. I have been researching for some years now and have managed to trace his male line back to 1690 with (I hope!) a reasonable degree of accuracy. I'd be happy to let you have details if you'd like them...

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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 11 April 06 13:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Mike - nice to hear from you.
Is that Thomas son of Thomas Stratton and Margaret Simons or Thomas Williams Trathen, son of George and Elizabeth??? I would be really interested to link up and exchange information although it soiunds like you've gone a lot further back than me.  I am back to 1744, with help from this board - the marriage of Edward Stratton and Jane Uren at St Uny, Lelant.  My gt gt gt grandfather is Robert Trathen b. 1825, son of Thomas and Margaret.
Very best
J

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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #16 on: Friday 05 October 07 16:53 BST (UK) »
I am descended from a Margaret Trathen who married Charles Wearne 12th March 1825 ...does she link up with anyon's Trathens on here ?
James
BERRYMAN
KITTO
HONEY
JAMES
TREWERN
DINGLE
EDDY

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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #17 on: Friday 05 October 07 16:54 BST (UK) »
PS They were married at St Erth
BERRYMAN
KITTO
HONEY
JAMES
TREWERN
DINGLE
EDDY