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TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« on: Monday 07 November 05 19:45 GMT (UK) »
Looking for TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s who once lived in Phillack (near Hayle, Cornwall) before they moved to Swansea, Wales and changed their family name to STRATTON

Here are the 1861 census listings for two of these households:

RG9/1586 Folio 99 Page 36
Rules Row
Phillack

TRATHEN Thomas Head 46 Mar b Phillack Blacksmith
TRATHEN Mary Ann Wife 32 Mar b Phillack
TRATHEN James Son 20 Unm b Phillack Blacksmith
TRATHEN Eliza J Daughter 19 Unm b Phillack Domestic
TRATHEN Harriet Daughter 16 Unm b Phillack Tailoress
TRATHEN Thomas Son 15 Unm b Phillack Blacksmith
TRATHEN Mary Daughter 12 b Phillack Scholar
TRATHEN Emily T Daughter 2 b Phillack


RG9/4105 Folio 51 Page 50
8 Croft Street (Private House)
Swansea

TRATHAM William Head 48 Mar b Cornwall Boiler Maker
TRATHAM Avis Wife 47 Mar b Cornwall
TRATHAM William Son 11 b Swansea Scholar
TRATHAM Caroline Dau 8 b Swansea b Swansea Scholar
HANER Thomas Orphan 15 Unm b Neath Glamorgan Boiler Maker


By the 1881 Census, these families changed their names to STRATTON.

William STRATTON Head M Male 68 Hayle, Cornwall, England Boiler Maker
Avis STRATTON Wife M Female 68 St Erth, Cornwall, England Home
James THOMAS Son In Law M Male 28 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales  Moulder (Iron)
Caroline THOMAS Daur M Female 28 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Home
Wm. George THOMAS Grand Son Male 4 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Scholar
Florence Priscilla THOMAS Grand Daur Female 1 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Home

Dwelling:28 Earl Street
Census:Place St John Near Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales


Thomas STRATTON Boarder (Head) M Male 64 Hayle, Cornwall, England B Smith
Mary STRATTON Wife M Female 45 Hayle, Cornwall, England

Dwelling: 6 Hafod St
Census: Place St John Near Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales


Thomas STRATTON Head M Male 34 Hayle, Cornwall, England Furnaceman Steel Works
Annie Elizabeth STRATTON Wife M Female 34 London, Middlesex, England
William George STRATTON Son Male 12 Swansea Scholar
Avis Mary STRATTON Daur Female 10 Swansea Scholar
Charlotte Ann STRATTON Daur Female 8 Swansea Scholar
Harriet STRATTON Daur Female 6 Swansea Home
Thomas STRATTON Son Male 3 Swansea Home
Annie Elizabeth STRATTON Daur Female 5 m Swansea

Dwelling: 28 Vernon St
Census: Place St John Near Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales


Please reply if you have any research interest in the family history of these individuals :)

Peter

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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #1 on: Monday 07 November 05 20:05 GMT (UK) »
Do you have this?

HO107/1916 Folio 661 Page 44
North of Trevassack? Phillack, Cornwall
Thomas Trathan 34 Blacksmith Phillack
Mary Ann 23 Tailoress Phillack
Elizabeth Ann 12 Phillack
James 10 Phillack
Eliza Jane 8 Phillack
Harriet 7 Phillack
Thomas 5 Phillack
Caroline 4 Phillack
Mary 2 Phillack
John Christopher 5mths Phillack

Regards,
Catherine
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #2 on: Monday 07 November 05 20:12 GMT (UK) »
and

HO107/1916 Folio 663 Page 48
North of Trevassack? Phillack, Cornwall
William Trathen 35 Labourer in Iron Foundry Phillack
Ann 35 St Eith?
Richard B...t (Burt?) bro in law 25 Shipwright Phillack
William B...t bro in law 23 Phillack
Ellen B...t sis in law 15 no trade Phillack
Samuel bro in law 13 Masons App Phillack

NEXT DOOR -
George Trathen widower 75/8? Retired copper miner Phillack

Regards,
Catherine
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov

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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #3 on: Monday 07 November 05 22:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi Catherine,

I had recently received information on
HO107/1916 Folio 661 Page 44. This is one of the families who moved to Swansea.

However, HO107/1916 Folio 663 Page 48 is new information to me. It closely ties in with the following:

GEORGE TRATHEN & JANE ?
- GEORGE TRATHEN Christening: 24 JAN 1773, Phillack

GEORGE TRATHEN & ELIZABETH ?
-THOMAS WILLIAMS TRATHEN Christening: 02 JUL 1815, Phillack

George Trathen may have been one of the first Trathens born in Phillack. It appears that he was living next door to his son in 1851. Would you have access to the 1841 Census to check if George's wife was still alive? :)

Peter



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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #4 on: Monday 07 November 05 23:31 GMT (UK) »
The 1841 census has, address Trevassack in Phillack:

George Trathan, 65, miner, in county
Elizabeth, 65, ditto.

Living nearby are Edward Trathan, 25, wife Rosamine, 25, daughter Ann, 1, son Thomas, 3M, probably brothers of Edward also in household are William, 20, George, 20, possible sister Caroline, 15.

(you can see this at freecen.rootsweb.com)

Here's an interesting bit from A2A! (www.a2a.org.uk)

1 May 1821
Margaret Stratton, alias Margaret Trathen of Gulval, spinster, indicted for taking two burthens of furze, value 6d., property of William Stephens: one month in Launceston gaol.


Phillack Marriages on www.uk-genealogy.org.uk show the marriage of George Trathen, soujourner, and Jane Matthews, 6 Dec 1772.  Also Edward Trathen and Ann Barnes, soujourners, 10 April 1812.

Parish records show not only Goerge chrs. 24 Jan 1773 to George and Jane, but a Jane Stratton d.o. George and Jane, 14 April 1775, and a Thomas Stratton son of George and Jane, 18 Sep 1777 (died 12 Jun 1781 as Stratton), Mary Stratton d.o. George and Jane, 31 Dec 1780 (died 6 April 1781 as Stratton), Edward Stratton son of George and Jane, 20 May 1783, Edward Stratton again, 16 May 1785, Mary again, 30 Jun 1786, another Thomas, 14 May 1791, Christopher Stratton, 9 Feb 1795.

Jane Trathan, aged 68, resident Hallen Kene, was buried 1 Oct 1821 in Phillack.  George Trathen, aged 82, resident Trevassack, was buried 22 Feb 1824.  Edward Trathan, aged 44, was buried 27 Dec 1826 (doesn't quite match Edward Stratton, son of George and Jane, but close)

Then:

Christopher Stratton son of George and Elizabeth,  22 Nov 1801.
George Stratton son of George and Elizabeth, 20 Nov 1803
Richard Matthews Stratton son of George and Elizabeth, 4 May 1806
Elizabeth Maria Stratton d.o G & E, 10 Jul 1808
William Trathan s.o George and Elizabeth, 20 Sep 1812
Thomas Barns Trathan s.o Edward and Ann, 29 Nov 1812
Richard Trathen son of Thomas and Margaret, 29 Jan 1815
(and so on)

An interesting one:

Elizabeth Maria Sturge Trathen m. Richard Penrose, 15 Nov 1824.
Eliz Mia Maria Stuges Penrose m. Richard Tristrail, 23 Nov 1835.

- I think this is the Elizabeth Maria Stratton daughter of George and Elizabeth. She is 30 in the 1841 census (family spelt as 'Trestrail')
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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 November 05 21:18 GMT (UK) »
Dear JoRose,

Thank you so much for suppling such a large cache of information about the Trachens of Phillack.

My new motto is:

When you're trackin' a STRATTON,
You'll find a Trachen.
And when you're trackin' a TRACHEN,
You'll find a Stratton!
:D

I've been updating the family tree based on this new information. It's a bit of a mystery why the Strattons suddenly decided to go through a name change after 1810. I've heard of this type of clandestine behaviour but I didn't expect to encounter it in my research.

I'm fairly confident that many of the names (STRATTON or TRACHEN) that you provided are directly connected.

Thank you again for providing some excellent detective  work! :)

Peter

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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 00:30 GMT (UK) »
Hmmm... a possiblity for George Sr, who must have been b. about 1842, is George Stratten chrs. 13 Jan 1844 Uny Lelant, son of Edward and Jane.  Lelant is across from Phillack (seperated by the River Hayle).  If you look on the IGI you'll see siblings of this George include Edward, Jane, Thomas and Christopher.  Family is Edward Stratton m. Jane Uren.

Some of these have their name spelled 'Strathen'...
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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 18:19 GMT (UK) »
Dear Jorose,

I checked the IGI as you suggested and I believe this is what you are referring to:

EDWARD STRATTEN JANE UREN
05 NOV 1744  Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England

GEORGE STRATTEN Christening: 13 JAN 1744   Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
JANE STRATTON Christening: 29 JAN 1748   Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
EDWARD STRATTON Christening: 03 JAN 1750   Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
THOMAS STRATHEN Christening: 29 DEC 1754   Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
CHRISTOPHER STRATHEN Christening: 09 NOV 1760   Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England

George Sr. appears to be the only Stratton who settled in Phillack in the late 1700's. I wouldn't want to speculate as to the whereabouts of George's siblings, given the constant names changes!

Thank you once again for pointing me in the right direction! ;D

Peter

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Re: TRATHEN (TRATHAM)’s of Phillack
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 23 March 06 17:58 GMT (UK) »
In researching a collateral family of mine in St Erth/Crowan, I ran across the marriage of a widow, Elizabeth (nee Woolcock) Matthews, to widower Richard Trathan, in 1858 in St Erth.  Richard was born in Phillack (according to the 1851 census) about 1814.  (I believe he is the one baptised in Phillack in Jan 1815, son of Thomas and Margaret).  Richard's first wife was Elizabeth Charleston.  They were married in St Erth in 1839.  That marriage is indexed under the spelling "Shaton" in the online index of the parish register.  Over the years Richard and Elizabeth had a number of children, variously indexed as Strathen, Straton, Traton, Trathen.  Most of these children died at a very young age. 

From the indexes online of baptisms in Phillack, Richard appears likely to be the elder brother of the Thomas, b 1817, who is the one you have cited in subsequent censuses.  They are probably both the sons of the Thomas (son of George), bapt 1791 in Phillack, but I have not researched this and don't know. 

I would be happy to post the information on Richard and Elizabeth (Charleston) Trathan from the indexes and registers of St Erth if it would be of any use.