Searching for John WYATT born Smithfield 1819?

[TripeDresser]

Thank you, but Re The Oxfordshire Wyatts who went to London early 19thc , They were Butchers and Smithfield is a meat market connected with Butchers for over 400 years

[Valda]

Hi

I can see your ancestor George Wyatt a butcher born Islip Oxfordshire baptised 30th May 1790 parents George and Ann, and his wife Harriet Henrietta born Oxford circa 1793 briefly lived in Eagle Street Holborn about a mile away from Smithfield in1823 and 1824 when two of their sons were baptised at St George the Martyr Holborn. This seems the nearest the family geographically was to Smithfield, moving further away to the Pancras and Marylebone area certainly by 1830.

On the 1851 census William Wyatt born Islip baptised 7th October 1798 parents Thomas and Ann, a warehouseman was living in Clerkenwell married to Sarah Thompson at St George Hanover Square in 1822. The family was in Shoreditch in 1841 where William was a publican but the baptism of their children show them to be in Southwark from 1823 onwards.

Did George have a sister Elizabeth? Are you thinking she might have had an illegitimate son in the Smithfield area - John Graves Wyatt? There doesn't seem to be a baptism in Islip of an Elizabeth Wyatt or indeed any female Wyatt to either George or Ann, or Thomas and Ann, or Thomas and Sarah, who appear to be the only Wyatts baptising children in Islip between 1790 and 1809.

Smithfield has been a market in London for over 800 years.


Regards

Valda

[TripeDresser]

Hi Valda,
You have a great amount of information on my line.

Elizabeth Wyatt was baptised 2 Nov 1788 in Islip, she married in 1813 George Haskins of Murcott ( a few miles away) and had 9 children, two of whom were Murcott Wheelwrights. It is possible she had gone to London before this marriage
before being 25 years old. But she had children baptised Charlton on Otmoor in 1816, 1819 and 1820. I don't know!

Re Thomas and Ann, George Wyatt born 1790, had an older cousin Thomas Wyatt born 1772 in Islip, he could have been this the same one, who  had a son William born 1798 in Islip. If so this is news to me, thank you. I wonder what happened on from 1841.


George born Islip 1790, had half his children born / baptised in Islip and half from 1823 onwards bap in Holborn and Hampstead Rd London. He had a son William bap 1818 buried 1820 Islip. Another the eldest was John Couldrey Wyatt born 1814 in Islip, died in London a Master Tripe Dresser. His mother was of an established Oxford Tripe business family called Couldrey. George had a brother John bap 1791 Islip, who very likeley was a Butcher and also went on to London. I know nothing of him. George certainly must have visited London before taking his Butchers shop there c.1822. Was he the illegitamate father of another John seems unlikely... but?

Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Valda]

Hi

If Elizabeth married in 1813 she wouldn't be the mother of a John Graves Wyatt born Smithfield circa 1820.

Hampstead Road is Pancras/Marylebone area, Eagle Street (the first London address for the family 1823/1824 was about a mile away from Smithfield). The family don't seem to be have been there very long or have any real connection with the actual Smithfield market area.

There is a John Wyatt born Islip circa 1800 visiting in Dudley Worcestershire on the 1851 census. He was a baker. As he was visiting his age may have been given inaccurately.


Regards

Valda

[bearkat]

John Greaves WYETT was baptised 24 November 1841 St John, Horsleydown, Surrey - an adult, born 18 October 1818.


So am I going to be able to trace him back further?  There is no mention of his parents on his baptism.  He's not sure whether his father was Jeremiah or William.

Any suggestions welcome.

[Valda]

Hi

Though it is an adult baptism it is still significant he doesn't name his parents. Regardless of the age of the person being baptised and I have a baptism where the person was in their 60s, the parents were named. It leads to the conclusion he wasn't really sure who his parents were, however if that was the case you wouldn't expect him to be so specific about his date of birth.

1841 census HO107 1087/7 folio 36
Bermondsey Street St John Horseleydown Southwark
John Wyatt 22 Hair Dresser not born Surrey
Abel Berry 18 Hair Dresser not born Surrey
John Hill 15 Hair Dresser's Apprentice born Surrey


Regards

Valda

[bearkat]

It leads to the conclusion he wasn't really sure who his parents were
Valda

Thanks for your help again, Valda. 

I was afraid of that.

I've searched for a long time for this record.

He was baptised a week before his marriage in Low Pudsey, Yorkshire (where he claimed to be living  ).

[Valda]

Hi

In fairness the sentence continued

.....'however if that was the case you wouldn't expect him to be so specific about his date of birth.'

which might mean that it was his father he wasn't sure about, not his mother.


Regards

Valda

[bearkat]

I will keep searching but he's not made it easy for me.