Searching for John WYATT born Smithfield 1819?

[Valda]

Hi

On John Graves Wyatt's second marriage 28th September 1847 at All Hallows Poplar John Graves Wyatt was the hairdresser but his father Jeremiah Wyatt's occupation was given as butcher. In 1851 John Graves was a baker.

From the names of his children and his death registration it seems consistently Graves.


With the absence of any burial for Jeremiah Wyatt or a marriage for Jeremiah or a baptism for John Graves Wyatt, it brings into question whether Jeremiah Wyatt existed and whether John Graves Wyatt was born illegitimately in which case you might be looking for a John Graves/Groves baptism or a John Wyatt baptism whose father was Jeremiah Graves/Groves.


Have you found John Graves Wyatt's first marriage? Are the details about his father consistent?

There is a burial in Southwark in 1845 of a Rachel Graves Wyatt aged 27


Regards

Valda

[bearkat]

Hi Valda,

Thanks for looking at this.

Yes, his first marriage was to Rachel.  She died of tuberculosis.  I did get a marriage certificate for a John Greaves WYATT to a Rachel TAYLOR in 1841 in Bradford registration district but his father wasn't Jeremiah so I dismissed it - perhaps I should dig it out again. 

His second wife's first husband was a baker so perhaps he just took over the business.

I wonder if this is John in St John Horsleydown in1841  HO107/1087/7  Folio 35  Page 13   

[dawnsh]

Being a butcher ties in very nicely with the meat market at Smithfield.

Still can't find a suitable baptism though 

Dawn

[Valda]

Hi

Please 'dig out' the details of the John Greaves Wyatt marriage to Rachel Taylor and let's see what it says - for instance what was John's occupation?

It is the only instance on the civil registration of Greaves as a middle name with Wyatt so it is a possibility that it should be Graves.

If it looks likely for John, but the father's details are different then that makes it even more likely that he was in fact illegitimate.


The 1841 census entry looks a good possibility.


Regards

Valda

[bearkat]

The marriage certificate is still lost in a pile of papers  but I have found it indexed online. 

Looks promising now I look at it again.

30 November 1841 at Pudsey
John Greaves WYATT of full age, bachelor, hairdresser of Low Pudsey, father William WYATT, butcher married Rachel TAYLOR of full age spinster of Low Pudsey father Thomas TAYLOR a hairdresser.
witnesses : Richard Hanson, Job Ingham

Low Pudsey is between Bradford & Leeds.

What was he doing 'up there'?

Perhaps he invented a father. 

[Valda]

Hi

It does look promising since you have that combination of occupations again - John as a hairdresser and his father, whoever he was as a butcher.

Regards

Valda

[bearkat]

Coincidentally, in 1841,  Frances Lomas/x, his second wife, is living about 35 miles away from Pudsey in Kimberworth, near Rotherham. 

There is a baptism at about the right time, 25 Dec 1818, in Pudsey - John GREAVES to William and Sarah of Fartown but William is a clothier.  The trouble is that I think I've found that John GREAVES still in Yorkshire working as a clothier in 1841.

[bearkat]

I've now realised why I can't find the marriage certificate - I sent for it, stipulating that the father was Jeremiah so, of course, they wrote back saying it wasn't the correct entry. 

Just shows that ploy doesn't always work as this looks to be the right man.  I wonder if he really was born in London. 

Not sure about his father being Jeremiah or William though.

You think if he made him up he would have stuck with the same name. 

I'll post a request on the Yorkshire board to see if anyone can shed any light on John or Rachel.

[Valda]

Hi

Yes and no since I have an example of an illegitimate man who married 4 times - different information in the father column each time. After all who is going to check. The one thing that is consistent for John is however the occupation and on the censuses the birthplace - Groves, Graves and Greaves is a bit fluid though, but I think it probably is Graves because that is the one that endures not just in John's name.

Regards

Valda