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Re: Thomas Smith, born 1808/1809, North Leith
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 05 May 13 22:48 BST (UK) »
Dear Kate, I already have your family on my tree.  I have Agnes's birth cert too or her transcription - I cannot remember which. I have deleted my tree on Ancestry.com.au as there were too many errors on my own English side although the Smith side was quite accurate although what I have on my database is more complete that what was posted on Ancestry.  You will have to be patient for Thomas's and Mary's documents as they are packed for removal to Tasmania. I have transcriptions of their trials etc too. We are moving there in a few months.  I will scan them and send them to you.  I will contact you again.  I don't mind giving you an email address - I have quite a few.  Did you know that Mary was engaged to someone else in Port Macquarie before she married Thomas.  We have absolutely nothing about Thomas whilst living in Ireland.  Family rumour about Thomas was that he drowned at Nambucca the day before he was to travel to Sydney to go back to Ireland to claim his inheritance but that is only rumour.  There are no portraits of Thomas or Mary but I do also have a copy of his diary that he kept.  I don't know where the original is but someone copied it out by hand and I have a photocopy of that.  You will have to wait for that too as it is packed away.  Thomas, as you probably know, forged payslips and was caught drinking in the local pub with the proceeds and Mary stole a shawl from what I can remember.  I will try to send you a private message on Rootschat with one of my email addresses.
regards, Rozee
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Re: Thomas Smith, born 1808/1809, North Leith MCKENZIE
« Reply #10 on: Monday 20 May 13 09:12 BST (UK) »
Hi, I think I may be related to Thomas McKenzie Smith and Mary Harriet Birdsill Smith, too.
Their daughter Sarah married Ashford Thomas Willis; they had 3 children.
I am a decendant of Emma, my father's mother's mother.
Willis was massacred in New Guinea in about 1878. Sarah wrote to the Sydney Morning Herald about it, after she was married in 1881 or 1882 to William Lyons.
Sarah's youngest brother was named Kenneth McKenzie. Sarah named her 4th child Joseph McKenzie. I only read about all this yesterday. See Trove for SMH, tagged Thomas Smith, Willis, Lyons.
Thomas Smith drowned (see Trove) in the sea at Trial Bay NSW during floods in January one year. Later, Mrs Thomas Smith is listed as having lost her house in floods in August, same year. By that time she had 8 children.
I have seen a few people mention the McKenzie connection, so far. See Whaite Family Tree.
I have no documents at all but if you feel like contacting me I'd love it.  Cheers.

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Re: Thomas Smith, born 1808/1809, North Leith
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 21 May 13 02:29 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I love getting in contact with distant famiy.
I descend from another of Thomas and Mary's daughters, Agnes (1861 – 1953). Agnes married a Joseph McKenzie Argent (what are the chances his middle name was going to be Mc'Kenzie) their son Theodore b. 1851 married Muriel Rose Long together they had several children one being my grandfather.

Do you have any idea were the name 'HOLT' came from?? (Thomas and Mary son William Holt SMITH 1846 – 1926)

(I am typing my reply/ questions in purple.)

Hi, I think I may be related to Thomas McKenzie Smith and Mary Harriet Birdsill Smith, too.
Their daughter Sarah married Ashford Thomas Willis; they had 3 children.
I am a descendant of Emma, my father's mother's mother.
Willis was massacred in New Guinea in about 1878. Sarah wrote to the Sydney Morning Herald about it, after she was married in 1881 or 1882 to William Lyons. Thanks for the news paper reference. My grandfather had told me that Ashford was killed by native in PNG but it's nice to get the full version of events.
Sarah's youngest brother was named Kenneth McKenzie. Sarah named her 4th child Joseph McKenzie. I only read about all this yesterday. See Trove for SMH, tagged Thomas Smith, Willis, Lyons.

Thomas Smith drowned (see Trove) in the sea at Trial Bay NSW during floods in January one year. Family myth is he died the day before he was to return to travel to Sydney to return to Ireland and claim his family inheritance. Only family rumor, can't actually prove it. Later, Mrs. Thomas Smith is listed as having lost her house in floods in August, same year. By that time she had 8 children. Didn't know that, Thanks.

I have seen a few people mention the McKenzie connection, so far. See Whaite Family Tree. Can't find it. Can you please send me the web address.
I have no documents at all but if you feel like contacting me I'd love it. Cheers.

If you would like to know more,  (I'd like to swap info) please send me a personal message. I prefer communicating in private email.

Hear from you soon,
K8

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Re: Thomas Smith, born 1808/1809, North Leith
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 21 May 13 06:10 BST (UK) »
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Re: Thomas Smith, born 1808/1809, North Leith
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 21 May 13 06:13 BST (UK) »
K8 worked it out, personal message sent to you.

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Re: Thomas Smith, born 1808 in North Leith
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 26 May 13 07:51 BST (UK) »
Hello, I have Thomas Smith & Mary Harriet Birdsill in my Family; they are my 3 x g/Grandparents.
Does anyone out there know who Thomas's 1st wife was, I am of the belief that he married her on 21 May 1830, they had 2 sons. I have not found any marriage that matches that date in Kent, Scotland or Ireland...But my search parameters are rather limited. If anyone could help me I'd greatly appreciate it.

Cheers, Anthony "Tonze" Childs [formally, GOSPER]

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Re: Thomas Smith, born 1808/1809, North Leith
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 26 May 13 10:33 BST (UK) »
Anthony, Mary would have been only 13 if she married in 1830. Do you mean 1840 with Jno Edwards, when she was in Australia? See the first page of this thread, as she may have been just engaged. She would have been 18 when she came to Australia. I'm not sure what the legal age of marriage was, with or without the parents' permission.
The mystery continues! Hope Rozee has some information when she unpacks her treasures!

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Re: Thomas Smith, born 1808/1809, North Leith
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 26 May 13 21:30 BST (UK) »
Hi ya, Thanks for ya reply...But Mary, was Thomas's 2nd wife!
It's his 1st wife & 2 sons, I am after info on...That marriage was on 21 May 1830 in Kent, apparently?
I am also lead to believe that he joined the Army in Kent, the end of 1830. I am at present trying to get a copy of his actual enlistment papers, But so far they have not arrived.
These papers just may give his 1st wife's actual name, as next of kin?? One can only hope...

Shall write you, once I have them...Cheers Anthony

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Re: Thomas Smith, born 1808/1809, North Leith aka MCKENZIE m. Mary Smith b. 1817
« Reply #17 on: Monday 27 May 13 03:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Anthony,
If Mary was born in 1817 and if she married in 1830, how old was she at marriage? Only 13? What a mystery this story is.
Hope you find some answers soon.